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Old 11-18-2012, 02:16 AM #64
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so i see that they did away with the o-ring thats toward the front of the bolt, the front seal o-ring, and it looks like all thats left is just the bolt sail o-ring. it appears it doesnt use a bumper though, like the HE that smart parts made. does it use a bumper?
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:39 AM #65
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may be a dumb question...but does the bolt require a spring or is it a simple just drop in bolt and you gonna be able to shoot the boat loads of paint it says you can?
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:48 AM #66
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It can be just a drop in, but I believe it comes with a Rhino spring anyways.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:38 AM #67
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Im not sure if anyone has tried it w/o the spring, i asked a couple weeks ago and no one had a for sure answer. I intend on trying when mine come in.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:59 AM #68
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Why would you run it without the sprung? What's the benefit for you?
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:22 AM #69
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Possibly faster cycling rates
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:55 AM #70
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Nope. That'll almost certainly slow it down.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:00 AM #71
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K, please explain
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:15 PM #72
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Nope. That'll almost certainly slow it down.
I think he's responding to "why would you run it without a spring." I would assume no spring would allow for faster cyclic rates.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:16 PM #73
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:40 PM #74
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K, please explain
The spring unquestionably speeds up the forward stroke of the bolt. So the question becomes what does it do for the return stroke? Yes, the air has to fight the spring as it returns - but due to the QEV's and re-cock assist providing so much air to return the bolt at its initial rearward travel, I don't believe it's going to be significant as that air will reduce the effect of the spring slowing the bolt down.

It would be an interesting thing to test, but if I had to guess it'll either not matter or maybe even slow it down. Besides that it'll be rougher on the bolt (especially if you're missing your bolt guide bumper) because there's nothing to slow it down during the return stroke.

tl;dr - springs are conservative, and since you're boosting the return stroke with air from the can I think you're going to see more gains in bolt velocity and reduced bolt stick in the forward stroke than you lose on the return stroke. Remember, bolt stick adds to your dwell and therefore increases cycle times and decreases ROF. I wouldn't run it without a spring.

At any rate, I think the eigenbolt with a spring will be faster than a stock bolt - why do you need to shoot faster than that anyway?
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:41 PM #75
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Trying to be the zak vetter of the shocker world...lol jk

But really, ive been following the eigen bolt for the better part of 3 years now and since i dont play much any more i was just thinking of all the nerdy things i could test in my basement.

Thanks for the response Umami
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:43 PM #76
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:36 PM #77
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:54 PM #78
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Lol same. I was dressing down from a long day at the field and saw the email. I prudly and happily yelled "My eigenbolt shipped!". no one knew what I was talking about :/
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Lol same. I was dressing down from a long day at the field and saw the email. I prudly and happily yelled "My eigenbolt shipped!". no one knew what I was talking about :/
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:24 AM #80
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Nope. That'll almost certainly slow it down.

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The spring unquestionably speeds up the forward stroke of the bolt. So the question becomes what does it do for the return stroke? Yes, the air has to fight the spring as it returns - but due to the QEV's and re-cock assist providing so much air to return the bolt at its initial rearward travel, I don't believe it's going to be significant as that air will reduce the effect of the spring slowing the bolt down.

It would be an interesting thing to test, but if I had to guess it'll either not matter or maybe even slow it down. Besides that it'll be rougher on the bolt (especially if you're missing your bolt guide bumper) because there's nothing to slow it down during the return stroke.

tl;dr - springs are conservative, and since you're boosting the return stroke with air from the can I think you're going to see more gains in bolt velocity and reduced bolt stick in the forward stroke than you lose on the return stroke. Remember, bolt stick adds to your dwell and therefore increases cycle times and decreases ROF. I wouldn't run it without a spring.

At any rate, I think the eigenbolt with a spring will be faster than a stock bolt - why do you need to shoot faster than that anyway?
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:43 AM #81
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So has anyone thought of making an effeciancy video?
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:39 AM #82
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When my bolt comes in , I'll do a real efficiency video. I got 6 cases left over from a tournament last week sitting in my closet.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:05 PM #83
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It sucks Ive been following this bolt since its rumor/idea tossing phase and now its released and I no longer have a shocker.
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But Lurker, congrats man on getting this out! I know this was easily youre hardest endeavor yet, and for that, Congrats Buddy!
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:39 PM #84
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