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View Poll Results: What format do you like?
Current format for all divisions. 41 22.53%
Proposed changes to formats. 106 58.24%
NCPA Class A. 28 15.38%
Woodsball. 7 3.85%
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:55 AM #64
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bring back the normal dimensions from 09
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:03 AM #65
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I feel like layouts this season had a major impact on slowing down the game. If there is anything that needs to be changed (race to, time, whatever) it needs to be layouts, They just need to be.. well. better. Add more decent sized bunkers please

If you look at the layouts, EVERY layout this season had a 50 Dorito instead of having 2 40 d's. The snakes were the type that trapped the player at the 50/45. There was no way of crawling all the way down to there side to end a game.

If you watch the webcasts, there are plenty of points from each event where a team has 50 snake and 50 D- yet the other team has guys in the back line still living, that was usually not possible in the past it was much harder as there was not enough space to hide.

to put it bluntly Snake and D side were weak as **** on every layout this season. and The reason why they were weak is the new snake bunkers and only having 3 large d's IMO
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:59 AM #66
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I feel like layouts this season had a major impact on slowing down the game. If there is anything that needs to be changed (race to, time, whatever) it needs to be layouts, They just need to be.. well. better. Add more decent sized bunkers please

If you look at the layouts, EVERY layout this season had a 50 Dorito instead of having 2 40 d's. The snakes were the type that trapped the player at the 50/45. There was no way of crawling all the way down to there side to end a game.

If you watch the webcasts, there are plenty of points from each event where a team has 50 snake and 50 D- yet the other team has guys in the back line still living, that was usually not possible in the past it was much harder as there was not enough space to hide.

to put it bluntly Snake and D side were weak as **** on every layout this season. and The reason why they were weak is the new snake bunkers and only having 3 large d's IMO
So are you upset the snake bunkers are too small or that you can't crawl all the way down it and shoot people in the back?
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:25 PM #67
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Need to get rid of the 170' field length and go back to 150', to make paintball interesting again. Instead of pulling a very competitive and interesting Race 2 format into boring, slow, and paint-wasting paintball.

The extra 20 feet is stupid, even though there were no new larger bunkers, they did the opposite and made them smaller.

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Old 11-17-2012, 07:41 PM #68
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So are you upset the snake bunkers are too small or that you can't crawl all the way down it and shoot people in the back?
He seems upset that he has to actually shoot at someone to cross the gaps in the snake.
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:48 PM #69
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I say keep the format roughly the same but scrap the long since redundant flags and have touchdown lines in their place. Cross alive to score.

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Why? It encourages a greater variety of tactics, removes redundant aspects of the game, adds more of a focal point in the player closest to scoring, encourages big gamebreaking moves, and makes it both feasible and reasonable to score under fire. It does not increase ref or admin burden, requires minimal retraining of staff and refs and actually slightly reduces the admin burden by not having to keep track of flags.

If the game is too fast and crazy move the lines back. Too slow and stalematey? Move them closer to the centre of the field. Tune til it works and you're seeing an equal number of rush plays, defensive plays etc. and the game is exciting to watch. Right now it's getting a bit one dimensional and there is very little difference between different plays and tactics.

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Old 11-18-2012, 02:07 AM #70
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:59 AM #71
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:37 PM #72
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this would be nice

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Old 11-19-2012, 02:27 AM #74
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I say keep the format roughly the same but scrap the long since redundant flags and have touchdown lines in their place. Cross alive to score.

Like this.

Why? It encourages a greater variety of tactics, removes redundant aspects of the game, adds more of a focal point in the player closest to scoring, encourages big gamebreaking moves, and makes it both feasible and reasonable to score under fire. It does not increase ref or admin burden, requires minimal retraining of staff and refs and actually slightly reduces the admin burden by not having to keep track of flags.

If the game is too fast and crazy move the lines back. Too slow and stalematey? Move them closer to the centre of the field. Tune til it works and you're seeing an equal number of rush plays, defensive plays etc. and the game is exciting to watch. Right now it's getting a bit one dimensional and there is very little difference between different plays and tactics.
I like it.

Edit: Kind of.

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Old 11-19-2012, 05:00 AM #75
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I say keep the format roughly the same but scrap the long since redundant flags and have touchdown lines in their place. Cross alive to score.

Like this.

Why? It encourages a greater variety of tactics, removes redundant aspects of the game, adds more of a focal point in the player closest to scoring, encourages big gamebreaking moves, and makes it both feasible and reasonable to score under fire. It does not increase ref or admin burden, requires minimal retraining of staff and refs and actually slightly reduces the admin burden by not having to keep track of flags.

If the game is too fast and crazy move the lines back. Too slow and stalematey? Move them closer to the centre of the field. Tune til it works and you're seeing an equal number of rush plays, defensive plays etc. and the game is exciting to watch. Right now it's getting a bit one dimensional and there is very little difference between different plays and tactics.
so moneyball without a flag...
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:57 AM #76
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Cheers guys, let me know if anyone tries it out.

Hmm

Only #4 is close to being similar. So not moneyball without flags. Just same old raceto with a new way to score

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Old 11-19-2012, 10:58 PM #77
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-With bringing penalty boxes back I'm guessing you need more refs also to police guys going in and out so that's tough
-for psp to bring in semi pro is tough. In reality how many d1 teams played every event.

-I'm sure there will be new bunkers, there has to be so sup air has something to sell
-I truly believe the league is doing a ton of stuff right. I think the dimensions shrinking(back to the 150x125) coupled with better/more aggressive layouts is the necessary change. That would return The aggression to the game by itself
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:42 PM #78
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More bunkers on the field would be nice, it adds diversity to the layouts and can cater to more aggressive play in some aspects. Also, race to 5 in d3+ would be nice, but I understand that may not be possible. Overall the PSP has the best format on the national level. World cup had something like 360 teams? Thats a huge step up from previous seasons after 2008. And also, thank you to whoever listened to the players and adding different pitched horns/buzzers, that made a huge difference
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:45 PM #79
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there will be a change on the field : 4 added bunkers.
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if you gonna change it you should do Pro - Race to 10 and D1 race to 7
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:21 PM #81
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Go back to the old field size- 150ft x 120ft. The extra 20 ft has slowed the game down.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:18 PM #82
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:29 PM #83
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I still think that games should be no Race to format but rather just a single time of play but with a mercy rule. All have a 12 or 15 minute game time but mercy ruling would be as follows.

Pro - none, you are pro
Semipro/d1 - if a team is leading by 7 points the game is over
d2 - if a team is leading by 5 game is over
d3 - team is leading by 4 or 5 game is over
d4 - ....not really sure

race to 2 would be the same

Either the above or whoever has the most points at end of game play time wins. Teams can come back from bad deficits but if someone is leading by the above amounts in that division they will not likely come back.

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Old 11-27-2012, 04:26 AM #84
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Another option is to do what sports like rugby do and have a total game time which never changes, and that includes the time between points. Say 45 minutes total including the breaks between points and any timeouts, so the game clock only stops for unusual stuff like when the refs have to delay a start because they aren't ready or whatever.

Makes scheduling much much easier. I don't know why more sports don't do it that way.
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