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Old 11-11-2012, 08:56 PM #1
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anyone else notice this? (bps question)

so i might be a noob but when i shoot my gun with no tank or hopper and just let the solinoid click with the eyes on it clicks pretty slow seems like 10 bps but when the guns aired up with paint it shoots as fast as i can pull it also with eyes on anyone else notice this?
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:16 PM #2
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so i might be a noob but when i shoot my gun with no tank or hopper and just let the solinoid click with the eyes on it clicks pretty slow seems like 10 bps but when the guns aired up with paint it shoots as fast as i can pull it also with eyes on anyone else notice this?

It shouldn't click with the eyes on and no paint. What kind of Spyder? Are the eyes dirty?
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:27 PM #3
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it will click with no paint and eyes on if the bolt is forward.. lol and its a spyder rs, im just saying it shoots alot faster with the eyes on when its aired up than when its not aired up with eyes on
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:36 PM #4
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it will click with no paint and eyes on if the bolt is forward.. lol and its a spyder rs, im just saying it shoots alot faster with the eyes on when its aired up than when its not aired up with eyes on
Ah, bolt forward. Maybe it is not detecting the "ball" clearing the breach?
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:40 PM #5
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hmm maybe i did notice i was chopping alot today.... i have my dynasty vlocity set to the lowest setting for brittle paint, and i have homemade detents made from pen springs and bbs, maybe thats the reason its chopping? and no the eyes work i know that for sure
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:49 PM #6
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It's more or likely detecting a malfunction since the bolt isn't moving out of the breach and "clearing" the eyes.

The board slows down the BPS to help prevent chopping. As for your chopping problem, it is more or likely your homemade detents.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:53 PM #7
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hmm maybe i did notice i was chopping alot today.... i have my dynasty vlocity set to the lowest setting for brittle paint, and i have homemade detents made from pen springs and bbs, maybe thats the reason its chopping? and no the eyes work i know that for sure
I don't know much about the RS board. My eye question was not if they are working, but if there is any type of bolt return programmed in. If so, your rate of fire would be affected because the board is looking for the bolt to get the hell out of the way. If you end up getting an aftermarket board you may be able to fine tune that. As I said, I am not sure about the RS line though.
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It's more or likely detecting a malfunction since the bolt isn't moving out of the breach and "clearing" the eyes.

The board slows down the BPS to help prevent chopping. As for your chopping problem, it is more or likely your homemade detents.
lol Beat me to it. I am old and slow typing.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:22 PM #9
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lol no there isnt any fancy tuning or anything theres semi with either eyes on or off, and 3 round burst with either eyes on or off thats it for the board, the eyes work i know they do i have tested them, and the home made detents i have also spend alot of time on, they hold a ball in the breach and dont let it out even with the hopper on, and when you fire the ball leaves the breach and isnt broken or anything so obv the detents work right? im still thinking the breaks whether barrel or chop, are because of the weather or **** paint, i have even put a ball in the breach (no air) and let the bolt push the ball through the detents and i inspected it afterward and no marks or breaks?
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:37 PM #10
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lol no there isnt any fancy tuning or anything theres semi with either eyes on or off, and 3 round burst with either eyes on or off thats it for the board, the eyes work i know they do i have tested them, and the home made detents i have also spend alot of time on, they hold a ball in the breach and dont let it out even with the hopper on, and when you fire the ball leaves the breach and isnt broken or anything so obv the detents work right? im still thinking the breaks whether barrel or chop, are because of the weather or **** paint, i have even put a ball in the breach (no air) and let the bolt push the ball through the detents and i inspected it afterward and no marks or breaks?
I know there isn't any tuning on the RS board. I meant maybe it is in the programming. Like Haterz said, it is detecting a malfunction, but maybe it is programmed to look only for a certain amount of time then reset. As an example, let's say the programming gives the bolt 3ms to clear the breach. And the programming also waits 5ms before it clears an eye error. That is an extra 8ms you have to wait before the marker will fire again with the bolt forward and the marker off. Savvy?
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:03 PM #11
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yeah but wouldnt that mean it would shoot fast without air and slow with air? also if its a chop there should be paint and **** in the breach right? like around the detents and such? because there isnt any paint around there so maybe its a barrel problem? let me know
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yeah but wouldnt that mean it would shoot fast without air and slow with air? also if its a chop there should be paint and **** in the breach right? like around the detents and such? because there isnt any paint around there so maybe its a barrel problem? let me know
It would shoot faster with air because the bolt would move out of the way. The paint breaking sounds like it is in the barrel. I imagine it is either a crappy paint problem or a detent problem.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:04 AM #13
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can detents cause barrel breaks?
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can detents cause barrel breaks?
Yes, in a way. If a paintball rolls forward (due to worn/missing/small detents or very small paint), the next ball can be shot causing a barrel break.
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the way it works is the board is looking for a period between the balling being fired and the second ball entering the breach so if the eyes are "dirty" or in your case blocked by the bolt then the gun defaults to 10 bps so that you don't chop paint.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:39 PM #16
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the way it works is the board is looking for a period between the balling being fired and the second ball entering the breach so if the eyes are "dirty" or in your case blocked by the bolt then the gun defaults to 10 bps so that you don't chop paint.
^^ this, thanks bro that was the exact answer I was looking for!
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Old 11-16-2012, 05:52 PM #17
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The detents play a big role in broken paint. First, if the part of the detent that makes contact with the ball is jammed it can bust paint. If there is a sharp edge on the detent it can slice paint as it passes over. If the detents don't hold paint in the proper spot the next ball in the stack can be just far enough into the breech to be clipped by the bolt (and then make a big mess in the barrel on the next shot). Get some proper detents and see what your chopping issues do.

The guys above talking about eye malfunctions were saying what the last person said. Many boards will drop the rof cap if they don't notice an empty period between shots. The board thinks the eyes are malfunctioning since the gun shot but the eyes never said the ball left the breech. Since the board can't trust the eyes at this point they default to a lower, safer speed.
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