[DJ Bob (Banned)]

when the **** is graves gonna 1v1 a carry with lw and bt?

[PBloler]

Originally Posted by DJ Bob

when the **** is graves gonna 1v1 a carry with lw and bt?

Did i say 1v1?

[azhector]

Originally Posted by PBloler

He has consistent burst throughout the game with tri force but grabes with LW and BT is scary. When graves ult is up and he lands Q > R on a carry they are dead.

Makes sense, but why do I see some straight BT builds? Or is it like ez when TF rushed was frowned upon?

Originally Posted by DJ Bob

when the **** is graves gonna 1v1 a carry with lw and bt?

Fights around the jungle, you'd be surprised how often you can drop that Combo over a wall when in awkward engages (or at inhib towers). It still isn't often, but it happens enough to change a game completely

[PBloler]

Originally Posted by azhector

Makes sense, but why do I see some straight BT builds? Or is it like ez when TF rushed was frowned upon?

BT first on Corki is bad. Not all of his burst even stacks with ad so you are trading the phage/sheen/triforce proc and some more early game magic damage with sheen for a little bit more damage on rockets and autos. So triforce makes for way more burst on corki than BT first.

[azhector]

Originally Posted by PBloler

BT first on Corki is bad. Not all of his burst even stacks with ad so you are trading the phage/sheen/triforce proc and some more early game magic damage with sheen for a little bit more damage on rockets and autos. So triforce makes for way more burst on corki than BT first.

I'm not saying its better, I was just curious as why some use it; I haven't played around with Corki to much to see what's better in my own experience.
Maybe it's a situational thing where you just need sustain, I don't quite know.

[PBloler]

Originally Posted by azhector

I'm not saying its better, I was just curious as why some use it; I haven't played around with Corki to much to see what's better in my own experience.
Maybe it's a situational thing where you just need sustain, I don't quite know.

I knew you weren't saying it was better. I'm just saying why it's not. One vamp scepter and three points into vampirism is enough sustain to get through lanning (most corkis and ez dont get dorans because they get an early phage but if they want to pursue an early lane advantage they might)

[Richard Keane]

Originally Posted by PBloler

Did i say 1v1?

if there is a teamfight and the carries are within range of each other, youre playing with retards

[PBloler]

Originally Posted by Richard Keane

if there is a teamfight and the carries are within range of each other, youre playing with retards

You realize that graves' spells are aoe? And if leona or malph or somebody gets a nice ult off to lock up a team graves should capitalize and E in then Q R.

[Richard Keane]

Originally Posted by PBloler

You realize that graves' spells are aoe? And if leona or malph or somebody gets a nice ult off to lock up a team graves should capitalize and E in then Q R.

so he can instantly die when the cc wears off?

[azhector]

Originally Posted by Richard Keane

if there is a teamfight and the carries are within range of each other, youre playing with retards

Skarner blitz crank Amu lee gragas Singed ahri urgot Ali (with flash) all have a great ability to close that gap for their entire team or atleast a valuable target. Again, fights in the jungle you'll be in range of poke sometimes, graves r has a pretty large range so that's almost always going to hit their backline. You are also excluding range difference, it you want me to believe a kog or trist won't be able to hit an adc ever in a team fight; then uninstall this game. It's going to happen with knock backs and chained CC or massive range difference

Originally Posted by Richard Keane

so he can instantly die when the cc wears off?

Let's assume grave's team is a dive comp with high CC for lockdown. So champs like Leona, Amu, Olaf, malph, Orianna, morg, jax, Irelia, wukong etc. by the time the CC is over, they should have atleast one dead carry and 2 people ready to fall soon (if it's a harder dive comp or more aoe CC, this is a high understatement and pretty much every non tank will be dead before they can move) now at this point let's just say the other team burned all their cleanses and GA etc. by the time the originally burtsted champs are up, the other teammates either ran smartly from a 2/3v5 or arent in position to dive onto a carry.

So graves stayed safe this whole time, and even if their bruiser or assassin went onto grave's, he has the damage from him and an ap carry and CC to kite and kill. Keep in mind he has a dash and possibly flash too.

[PBloler]

Originally Posted by Richard Keane

so he can instantly die when the cc wears off?

Yes of course I meant E literally on top of them and his team won't be anywhere insight. It would just be 2v5, you're right.

[Richard Keane]

Originally Posted by azhector

Let's assume grave's team is a dive comp with high CC for lockdown. So champs like Leona, Amu, Olaf, malph, Orianna, morg, jax, Irelia, wukong etc. by the time the CC is over, they should have atleast one dead carry and 2 people ready to fall soon (if it's a harder dive comp or more aoe CC, this is a high understatement and pretty much every non tank will be dead before they can move) now at this point let's just say the other team burned all their cleanses and GA etc. by the time the originally burtsted champs are up, the other teammates either ran smartly from a 2/3v5 or arent in position to dive onto a carry.

So graves stayed safe this whole time, and even if their bruiser or assassin went onto grave's, he has the damage from him and an ap carry and CC to kite and kill. Keep in mind he has a dash and possibly flash too.

Yeah because these all-in AOE comps work every time and pretty much insta-gib entire teams with their initiations. That's why they always win.

There's a reason you guys are 900 elo.

[PBloler]

Originally Posted by Richard Keane

Yeah because these all-in AOE comps work every time and pretty much insta-gib entire teams with their initiations. That's why they always win.

There's a reason you guys are 900 elo.

Im not 900. All in comps are high risk high reward and in order to utilize graves properly you are going to want at least one or two all in champs like malph or leona. Many pro teams run hybrid comps with high poke and good initiation. An example would be jayce, malph, lux, ez, and maybe leona or lulu at support.

The idea is to poke them down to the point where they either have to b and give up objectives or they stay and get initiated on with low hp.

[azhector]

Originally Posted by Richard Keane

Yeah because these all-in AOE comps work every time and pretty much insta-gib entire teams with their initiations. That's why they always win.

There's a reason you guys are 900 elo.

I actually tried the last 2 weeks of the season and got up to 1200 and winning like 80% of my games...

And the comps aren't necessarily insta-gibs. It's long amounts of hard CC to let your carries and bruisers do damage. If any ad/ap carry and bruiser could have any position they want for like 3-5 seconds, squishes are dead and tanks are getting some hurt by aoe, there's no way around that.

Originally Posted by PBloler

Im not 900. All in comps are high risk high reward and in order to utilize graves properly you are going to want at least one or two all in champs like malph or leona. Many pro teams run hybrid comps with high poke and good initiation. An example would be jayce, malph, lux, ez, and maybe leona or lulu at support.

The idea is to poke them down to the point where they either have to b and give up objectives or they stay and get initiated on with low hp.

Main comp types are:dive, CC/lockdown, poke, counter engage (rare now), catching people comps, peel/protect comps (generally the "protect the kog" games, or aoe boosts/slows like anivia, Orianna, nunu, jayce etc. And winning off pure leads gained from strong laners/global objective (again rare, but champs like karth, garen, and renekton do best)

Like pbloler said though, generally you combine 2 or 3 of these comps together because most of them have obvious flaws and you don't want to show a pure aoe/CC team when you are fighting a team who can spread you out and force bad fights or take too much poke etc.

[PBloler]

Everything I know is a lie. The Season 3 changes are giving me an anxiety attack.

[Paintnoob13]

The S3 item changes look like they just tried to copy Dota. It's becoming more apparent as time passes that they're just trying to implement everything Valve has in Dota 2.

[Sand6452]

Originally Posted by PBloler

Everything I know is a lie. The Season 3 changes are giving me an anxiety attack.

This. At least it makes me feel better about not knowing how to jungle.

[Broseph_STallin]

Originally Posted by Paintnoob13

The S3 item changes look like they just tried to copy Dota. It's becoming more apparent as time passes that they're just trying to implement everything Valve has in Dota 2.

LoL is based directly off dota, I hope they are implementing the stuff that works in dota considering this is the same game dulled down.

[Paintnoob13]

If it was based directly off dota it'd be a way more balanced game.

[Broseph_STallin]

HON is directly based off dota also and it isn't as balanced as dota. Dota's been out for something like 10 years so they have had time to work all the bugs out.

[Paintnoob13]

HoN was as balanced as Dota until S2 started adding their own heroes.