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Old 11-12-2012, 05:09 PM #190
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No, they don't. That's entirely the point. Because of the GOP radical right beliefs, they have to choose between someone who believes what they do (Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich) and someone who is electable (Romney). This time they went with electable. How are you not understanding this? If you disagree, that's one thing, but, come on, this is very simple.
our beliefs arnt that radical. Obamas wealth redistribution and crazy *** deficit spending are pretty radical left also.


As a republican I didnt vote. Romney was too middle of the road. if you looked at when he was running for governor he was as bad as obama. **** these guys.

Look at Bush Vs Kerry. They were completely different. and we got behind bush.

McCain vs Obama - the difference was one was black and young the other old and white . Romney vs Obama - too similiar


give us Fred Thompson & Newt Gingrich or Perry & Palin and the base will be enthusiastic as **** and get the moderates involved. So many people vote because they dont think there is a difference, or they arnt inspired. We need someone different to inspire the fact that they are voting for a twice in a life oppertunity.


Hell even Ron Paul & Rand Paul. they will at least **** over the democrats dominance on the 18-25 demographic.

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:22 PM #191
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Perry and Palin 2016.

Giving the Democrats another 4 years.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:40 PM #192
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our beliefs arnt that radical. Obamas wealth redistribution and crazy *** deficit spending are pretty radical left also.


As a republican I didnt vote. Romney was too middle of the road. if you looked at when he was running for governor he was as bad as obama. **** these guys.

Look at Bush Vs Kerry. They were completely different. and we got behind bush.

McCain vs Obama - the difference was one was black and young the other old and white . Romney vs Obama - too similiar


give us Fred Thompson & Newt Gingrich or Perry & Palin and the base will be enthusiastic as **** and get the moderates involved. So many people vote because they dont think there is a difference, or they arnt inspired. We need someone different to inspire the fact that they are voting for a twice in a life oppertunity.


Hell even Ron Paul & Rand Paul. they will at least **** over the democrats dominance on the 18-25 demographic.

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The GOP is far right. Obama is center or center left. Right now the GOP is in an awful position. You choose a center right (Romney) and you lose the base. You choose a far right (Gingrich) and you lose the center. Bring the ideology back to the middle or keep losing elections.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:37 PM #193
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How did bush win ? How did Reagan win ? Hell Reagan even won blue states like NJ .

You need someone far right that is different and inspires people . Picking these middle of the road *******s just has moderates picking the guy who campaigns better .

When someone is so far right and they are different moderates will see the difference and they say this guy inspires me to vote because I think he is going to make big moves . The same way bush and Reagan did . People now see Romney and they say **** it I am going to vote anyway I'll pick not Obama . People aren't eager to vote they arnt inspired
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:38 PM #194
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Look at how many people watch bill orielly . The far right has a ton of supporters man of which are in the middle . My parents can't even speech English but they watch fox news .

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How did bush win ? How did Reagan win ? Hell Reagan even won blue states like NJ .

You need someone far right that is different and inspires people . Picking these middle of the road *******s just has moderates picking the guy who campaigns better .

When someone is so far right and they are different moderates will see the difference and they say this guy inspires me to vote because I think he is going to make big moves . The same way bush and Reagan did . People now see Romney and they say **** it I am going to vote anyway I'll pick not Obama . People aren't eager to vote they arnt inspired
well, you should be a political adviser.

why do repubs still use that actor as a poster boy? his war on drugs is the least conservative thing ever...

also, ronald reagan was a centrist compared to the candidates republicans have now but i wouldn't expect you to understand that.
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How did bush win ? How did Reagan win ? Hell Reagan even won blue states like NJ .

You need someone far right that is different and inspires people.
W won the nomination and the first presidency in part to Rove, and part to his reputation of being able to bring both Dems and Republicans to the table on issues. His goals before 9/11 were to work as a compromiser.

Reagan did not run with the same kind of Partisanship you would see like in your theoretical Palin/Perry ticket...not by a long shot. Let's try to take 'the good ole days' with a grain of salt please.
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Obama is center or center left.
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How did bush win ? How did Reagan win ? Hell Reagan even won blue states like NJ .

You need someone far right that is different and inspires people . Picking these middle of the road *******s just has moderates picking the guy who campaigns better .

When someone is so far right and they are different moderates will see the difference and they say this guy inspires me to vote because I think he is going to make big moves . The same way bush and Reagan did . People now see Romney and they say **** it I am going to vote anyway I'll pick not Obama . People aren't eager to vote they arnt inspired
Bush won on a national security platform and by expanding the welfare state, hence the "compassionate conservative" label.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:20 PM #199
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But really, continue to double down on extremism and see where it gets you. I won't be shedding any tears when the GOP gets thrashed in the polls...
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Boehner's already issued a few statementss about the failure of the previous tactics. Who's shocked? Who thinks he's sincere?
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Find me a legitimate political scientist that says anything but
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I tend to like Keith Poole's approach:

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Most say center right.
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I believe center right to be a bit of a stretch, but he certainly is the least liberal democrat and most moderate president since WWII.
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Keith poole's data is great when it comes to broad aggregates but I wouldn't judge individuals on it.

We've had a President who's presided over:
1) implementation of a Heritage Foundation healthcare system
2) Large tax cuts
3) massive reduction in government employment
4) hawkish foreign policy
4) more free trade agreements

Am I wrong?
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How did bush win ? How did Reagan win ? Hell Reagan even won blue states like NJ .

You need someone far right that is different and inspires people . Picking these middle of the road *******s just has moderates picking the guy who campaigns better .

When someone is so far right and they are different moderates will see the difference and they say this guy inspires me to vote because I think he is going to make big moves . The same way bush and Reagan did . People now see Romney and they say **** it I am going to vote anyway I'll pick not Obama . People aren't eager to vote they arnt inspired
Reagan wasn't far right, and Bush barely won (lost the popular vote the first time) and that was before 10 years of demographic shift.
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Keith poole's data is great when it comes to broad aggregates but I wouldn't judge individuals on it.

We've had a President who's presided over:
1) implementation of a Heritage Foundation healthcare system
2) Large tax cuts
3) massive reduction in government employment
4) hawkish foreign policy
4) more free trade agreements

Am I wrong?
Regardless of it's Heritage foundation, how would you not consider Affordable Care Act to be left?
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why do repubs still use that actor as a poster boy? his war on drugs is the least conservative thing ever...
How do you define "conservative"?
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Considering that using taxpayer resources and expanding the government to prevent citizens from choosing to put substances in their bodies is required for enforcing a drug war, it sounds like an increase in the federal gov'ts power. So pretty left wouldn't you say?

If you really want to break it down and have an argument about what's conservative and liberal we can and others would have way more to say about it than me.
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