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Old 11-08-2012, 05:23 PM #337
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Wow that I did not know. I mean I knew that there is no money to be really made when you play paintball. In fact it's widely known that playing paintball costs you more than you make from buying gear and paint and traveling every weekend on top of the heavy event fees. I mean I thought money's the reason why a team or players fall apart. Sponsorships give gear on different tier levels but I did not know that pro teams still get paid extra on top of the free **** they get from sponsors. Working for a company is different than just playing and wearing their logo.
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Wow that I did not know. I mean I knew that there is no money to be really made when you play paintball. In fact it's widely known that playing paintball costs you more than you make from buying gear and paint and traveling every weekend on top of the heavy event fees. I mean I thought money's the reason why a team or players fall apart. Sponsorships give gear on different tier levels but I did not know that pro teams still get paid extra on top of the free **** they get from sponsors. Working for a company is different than just playing and wearing their logo.
im suprised as well...

lol on the other hand, those shirts arent looking too bad at all!
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:01 PM #339
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:18 PM #340
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I say congrats to HK, they started out small and now are making some money for themselves. Its not easy to make a living owning a business especially in the paintball world. So any company that I see getting big, selling product, and supporting teams/events makes me feel that the paintball industry is headed in the right direction. Everybody hates usually because they havent been around long enough to see HK's development, they climbed the ladder and made a huge turnaround from almost leaving the paintball scene completely.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:23 PM #341
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JT doesn't have the Funds to support 2 pro Teams. Since Dynasty was raised on HK Oli & Ryan are close friends with Mark they must have cut a deal that gives them a percentage of sales profits. There is no other way they could afford them except on profit percentage. Will the Bus get a Dynasty Wrap Hell Yea will the Clinics Boast Dynasty Players YES they will get Juice from all different sorces HK is involved with & prices will be going up.

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Look for this deal only to last while the Economy is in the ****ter Not Hat'in Just Stat'in

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:11 PM #342
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Wow that I did not know. I mean I knew that there is no money to be really made when you play paintball. In fact it's widely known that playing paintball costs you more than you make from buying gear and paint and traveling every weekend on top of the heavy event fees. I mean I thought money's the reason why a team or players fall apart. Sponsorships give gear on different tier levels but I did not know that pro teams still get paid extra on top of the free **** they get from sponsors. Working for a company is different than just playing and wearing their logo.
Is this supposed to be sarcasm?

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:26 PM #343
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I'm suprised so few know about movember... Good job Ollie!

I'm half suprised about the deal, kinda logical with all the new products and the huge push HK started in the past year or so. I didnt think they'd have enough to offer Dynasty tho! Guess they make more than I think or as some others said, might have some compagny/products % for the team involved.
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Epic Fail When company's like NXE & Smart Parts Go Under & The NPPL is Failing
JT doesn't have the Funds to support 2 pro Teams. Since Dynasty was raised on HK Oli & Ryan are close friends with Mark they must have cut a deal that gives them a percentage of sales profits. There is no other way they could afford them except on profit percentage. Will the Bus get a Dynasty Wrap Hell Yea will the Clinics Boast Dynasty Players YES they will get Juice from all different sorces HK is involved with & prices will be going up.

Ollie better grow a Goat & ditch the Chester the Molester LOOK
Look for this deal only to last while the Economy is in the ****ter Not Hat'in Just Stat'in
I have to disagree with many of your statements. JT & Empire are two of the biggest companies in the paintball industry. (Im not saying THE 2 biggest) Im sure funding Dynasty is not the reason Empire and Dynasty split. I also believe you are undervaluing HK. Whether I, you or anyone else likes to acknowledge it HK created a lifestyle in paintball. Players all over the United States INCLUDING Hawaii are supporting HK, not to mention the brand has a large fan base over seas. Therefore my opinion is that HK is not desperate enough to give Dynasty a percentage of sale profits. A portion of the profits that are directly linked to the sponsership of Dynasty (signature model goods) will go into the teams funds.
If Ollie and Ryan's relationship with Mark and the boys at HK is as influential as you are stating then IMO the outcome would be opposite of your theory. I dont think a strong friendship is being used as a bargianing chip for profit. It is being used to benefit both parties.

You may be correct and I am way off, but this is what makes most sense to me.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:47 PM #345
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Is this supposed to be sarcasm?
its not. I'm sure many others out there didn't know that Pro teams get paid by sponsorships as well as the free gear. Because if you think about it, Planet Eclipse sponsors Dynasty, lets say PE give them lets say 10 free Ego11's and 10 free Geo3's. Thats about 25 thousand dollars they give to the team for free. Now i'm not going to count all the extra soft goods they give to them as well. So 25 grand worth of markers to Dynasty, and on top of that Planet Eclipse will pay a portion of their Event fees and Travel fees? And how many PRO teams does Planet Eclipse sponsor? thats a lot of money Planet Eclipse is giving away. I thought getting free gear was a huge bonus as a pro or high rank team, but to also get a "salary" where your expenses are paid is something i didn't wouldn't believe it myself unless i heard it from a Pro player which that quote from a page back just did.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:57 PM #346
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JT & Empire are two of the biggest companies in the paintball industry. (Im not saying THE 2 biggest)
JT and Empire are the same company. It's called KEE and it is the largest company in paintball.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:37 PM #347
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its not. I'm sure many others out there didn't know that Pro teams get paid by sponsorships as well as the free gear. Because if you think about it, Planet Eclipse sponsors Dynasty, lets say PE give them lets say 10 free Ego11's and 10 free Geo3's. Thats about 25 thousand dollars they give to the team for free. Now i'm not going to count all the extra soft goods they give to them as well. So 25 grand worth of markers to Dynasty, and on top of that Planet Eclipse will pay a portion of their Event fees and Travel fees? And how many PRO teams does Planet Eclipse sponsor? thats a lot of money Planet Eclipse is giving away. I thought getting free gear was a huge bonus as a pro or high rank team, but to also get a "salary" where your expenses are paid is something i didn't wouldn't believe it myself unless i heard it from a Pro player which that quote from a page back just did.
25k retail, it ain't costing PE 25k.
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Old 11-08-2012, 09:02 PM #348
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keyword is "epic" speedfeed! does this mean they will be using the rotor or will they be making one for the spire? if they decide to go with spires.
I know a guy who put an epic speedfeed on his spire. I think it was the rotor's speedfeed, but i'm not sure.
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25k retail, it ain't costing PE 25k.
It's not costing Planet Eclipse 25k to make, but it is 25k sales they could've made from paying customers.

as far as hopper goes, Dynasty hasn't announced their mask and hoppers. Maybe they can still use the eflexs/events and the z2 with the epic speedfeed. Just because they ended their sponsorship doesn't mean they can't ever use their products, right?
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:12 PM #351
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It's not costing Planet Eclipse 25k to make, but it is 25k sales they could've made from paying customers.

as far as hopper goes, Dynasty hasn't announced their mask and hoppers. Maybe they can still use the eflexs/events and the z2 with the epic speedfeed. Just because they ended their sponsorship doesn't mean they can't ever use their products, right?
You also have to factor in how much additional revenue PE will bring in because of Dynasty fans wanting to have the same gear as their favorite pros. You have to spend (or give away in this case) money to make money.


Also, It wouldn't make sense to give free advertising for a company that your team just parted ways with... I'm guessing they go with the Spires and I have no clue as to which mask.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:22 PM #352
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as far as hopper goes, Dynasty hasn't announced their mask and hoppers. Maybe they can still use the eflexs/events and the z2 with the epic speedfeed. Just because they ended their sponsorship doesn't mean they can't ever use their products, right?
That's not how it works at their level.

Dynasty won't be using products for free. They'll use products they are paid to use.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:24 PM #353
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Ive seen what these pros are driving. They arnt being paid that much haha
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:25 PM #354
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:29 PM #355
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This is a tough sport. The prize funds need to change. Professional air hockey and foozball players make more. Even amature bowlers can make $1000+ a week...lol i mean wtf
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This is a tough sport. The prize funds need to change. Professional air hockey and foozball players make more. Even amature bowlers can make $1000+ a week...lol i mean wtf
It's because nobody wants to endorse a sport where we shoot each other with guns.
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It's because nobody wants to endorse a sport where we shoot each other with guns.
hockey is one of the most funded sports out there with football and soccer. And hockey they fight and beat each other to pulps with minimal penalty's. tell me, whats the difference?
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