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Old 11-03-2012, 05:10 PM #22
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Paying workers more is not expansion and hiring to alleviate overwork is not expansion either. Most if not many companies run smaller staffs than needed for standard workloads -- America's workers consistently rank near the top in productivity due to their long hours and heavy workloads. Most people who have worked for a decent length of time have seen positions cut and the work divvied up among the remaining workers.
That is a result of crazy business organization models that work when you have good leadership, and crazy **** from Japan (separate things, just to clarify).
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:42 AM #23
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You cannot endlessly expand a company and keep hiring new workers.

I'd argue that giving funding to support a stronger foundation (youth education, training, health, science and medical research, etc.) is a better long-term deal for the economy. Also, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is a world-wide program. It's helping the lives of people around the planet.

I don't want to go off topic though. I simply wanted to point out that some of the world's richest people do, in fact, give a good portion of their wealth back to the world.
Then they're practicing the conservative model of keeping the government out of the business of redistribution and relying on charities to take care of the poor and downtrodden. If they practiced what they preach, they'd give that money to the government, which they claim is the most efficient and effective distributor of resources.
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Seeing as government has been in the business of redistribution since the dawn of civilization the conservative position would be to maintain that function.

Of course definitions change, but just saying.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:08 PM #25
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Yea, we're not about monarchies anymore.


BUT I bring something to the table - not all governments were about redistribution.
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They should just work to encourage the companies they own to pay their employees more, and hire more workers to keep the workloads sane. That would do more for the economy and the country than foundation giving.
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Paying workers more is not expansion and hiring to alleviate overwork is not expansion either. Most if not many companies run smaller staffs than needed for standard workloads -- America's workers consistently rank near the top in productivity due to their long hours and heavy workloads. Most people who have worked for a decent length of time have seen positions cut and the work divvied up among the remaining workers.
So they are supposed to pay current workers more yet reduce their hours, and hire more workers?
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So they are supposed to pay current workers more yet reduce their hours, and hire more workers?
Country Ratio of Pay: CEO to Average Worker
Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1

Income inequality is bad. You can reduce it by choosing to pay workers more or by redistribution of wealth (via taxes).
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So who gets to determine how much is enough for CEO's?

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Old 11-05-2012, 10:35 PM #30
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Average CEO salary in the US is around $180k/yr.
What he meant was within the same company.
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Average CEO salary in the US is around $180k/yr.
Eh?

Average CEO pay $9.6M in 2011
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Points are easier to make when you choose the sample by hand.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:04 PM #33
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What he meant was within the same company.
Right, but it's built upon the narrative of cherry picking the most profitable companies in the most productive country which is depicted in gonzo's post.
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So who gets to determine how much is enough for CEO's?

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Preferably not themselves or their buddies on the board.
Who else would that's in the company? Or would you rather government?
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Points are easier to make when you choose the sample by hand.
The BLS figures only reflect salary, executive compensation is largely nonsalary.
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Who else would that's in the company? Or would you rather government?
*shudders* no.

In an ideal world corporations would be employee-owned, so corporate pay would be determined by those with a long-term stake in the company.
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The BLS figures only reflect salary, executive compensation is largely nonsalary.
Point is still the same.
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If you were the one to decide a CEO's compensation how would you choose to compensate them?
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Point is still the same.
Hardly
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If you were the one to decide a CEO's compensation how would you choose to compensate them?
We can choose to pay our ceos much more than our employees and deal with the consequences or we can choose to pay or ceos less and have a stronger economy and less social issues. I'm not going to pick a number. I'm going to say less.
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If you were the one to decide a CEO's compensation how would you choose to compensate them?
I'd implement the Fair tax and let them keep their money.
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