[kyle53pntball]

Originally Posted by RJtheMadSpecialist

I watched the Hulk v Breakout game and saw the huge uproar about them giving each other high fives. One of the refs come to netting because some guy was screaming and swearing at them about it. He said that the rule is put in place to prevent violent or malicious contact, it does not mean that two players on the same or opposing teams can't positively give one or another a high five or something like it.

That guy was RAGING lol. He was so pissed off. I have a video of them screaming at each other on my phone

[swanton23]

I honestly think that most of this is funny. Teams just gotta let it all go ands move on.

[kyle53pntball]

I agree! My question was just about the rules of touching each other.

[aquadgio1]

Go play NPPL!

[SNAKESNIPER (Banned)]

Originally Posted by kyle53pntball

touching each other
touching each other
touching each other

[DRoper412]

Originally Posted by karney-shocker

they have not had swing points since 2005

False.

NCPA rules are within the last 60 seconds of a match if a major is assessed, the point goes to the opposite team.

[kyle53pntball]

Originally Posted by SNAKESNIPER

**** gets filthy sometimes... awkward...

[BaLLiN aT EJAM]

A team gets a major, one player being pulled on account of the major commits a minor before he can be pulled out. How many players on that team are pulled?

[kyle53pntball]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN aT EJAM

A team gets a major, one player being pulled on account of the major commits a minor before he can be pulled out. How many players on that team are pulled?

I would say 4 players get pulled (assuming there are 5 alive when the penalties are commited).

Since that person commits the penalty before he is technically pulled out for the other penalty then it should count alone in it's own penalty.

penaltyception

[BaLLiN aT EJAM]

Originally Posted by kyle53pntball

I would say 4 players get pulled (assuming there are 5 alive when the penalties are commited).

Since that person commits the penalty before he is technically pulled out for the other penalty then it should count alone in it's own penalty.

penaltyception

I don't see why the refs need to use that body for the major, they took their time in pulling him, allowing him time to commit a minor why not pull one of the other players and assess the minor as normal. One major is 3 bodies pulled, one minor is two bodies pulled. This costed a team their tournament.

[TherealInsomniac]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN aT EJAM

A team gets a major, one player being pulled on account of the major commits a minor before he can be pulled out. How many players on that team are pulled?

As far as I've spoken about a player being pulled to satisfy a penalty( not the one receiving it) isn't out until a ref touches them. So if a ref is moving towards a player to enforce a penalty they are still part of the game. If the are shot the ref should enforce the extra body(ies) with other players.
So here is one major( 2 extra), then a minor (1 extra)... Two players eliminated via hits, and an additional 3 to satisfy the penalties.

Originally Posted by DRoper412

False.

NCPA rules are within the last 60 seconds of a match if a major is assessed, the point goes to the opposite team.

Uhh the psp is not the NCPA. There are several differences, this is one of them. There is no penalty point (didnt call it a swing just for you raehl) outside of the pro division and there hasn't been since penalty boxes were eliminated (08?09?) in divisional play.

[kyle53pntball]

So you guys are saying that if a major is pulled and then a minor is pulled that all 5 players should be pulled from that point?

[kyle53pntball]

Who would have thought shooting little paint filled capsules at each other could be so damn confusing lol

[Scottyboy101]

Yes all 5

[ugaar]

Originally Posted by aspazatak

Download the rulebook and read it, it may help you in your dicussions with the refs if you are familiar and can state current rules.

The rule you are referring to is 8.1.1 "Any person who shoots towards the spectator sideline or opponent’s end line during a break period will be assessed a minor penalty." The team is usually given a warning however.

This rule was put into the books to cover a specific incident that happened a couple years ago and is generally not enforced unless abused by players.

If its in the rulebook to ***** a minor why is it not enforced 100% of the time? Some teams get it, some teams don't. I understand this is just paintball, lots of changing variables constantly. But if the reffing was enforced across the board in all divisions, i think all these questions popping up, would not be so nor as often.

If its in the rulebook, a referee on the. D1 field should be enforcing that rule.

[ugaar]

Originally Posted by aspazatak

This rule was put into the books to cover a specific incident that happened a couple years ago and is "generally" not enforced unless abused by players.

IF this is the PSP and IS the premiere league of the world, the word GENERALLY shouldn't be a word that describes how rules & regulations are enforced. Lacks legitimacy and even playing fields. Just saying

[raehl]

Originally Posted by BaLLiN aT EJAM

A team gets a major, one player being pulled on account of the major commits a minor before he can be pulled out. How many players on that team are pulled?

Assuming it's an eliminated player who gets the major, then you pull two bodies for the major. If someone else gets a minor, you would pull one more body.

Note that the specific situation you are describing can't really happen.... if a penalty is assessed and bodies are pulled, either a player is pulled or he isn't. So for example if player A gets a penalty, and then player B gets shot, then the ref is going to pull player C. If player A gets a penalty and the ref then pulls player B and then player B gets shot, that's it - player B was already eliminated so getting shot after that is immaterial.

- Chris

[swanton23]

His word Is law^^^^^^^^

[CreightonBaller]

Originally Posted by raehl

Assuming it's an eliminated player who gets the major, then you pull two bodies for the major. If someone else gets a minor, you would pull one more body.

Note that the specific situation you are describing can't really happen.... if a penalty is assessed and bodies are pulled, either a player is pulled or he isn't. So for example if player A gets a penalty, and then player B gets shot, then the ref is going to pull player C. If player A gets a penalty and the ref then pulls player B and then player B gets shot, that's it - player B was already eliminated so getting shot after that is immaterial.

- Chris

in theory this is how it should go, unfortunately it doesn't always happen this way. Refs are only human, after all.

[eforce]

Originally Posted by ugaar

IF this is the PSP and IS the premiere league of the world, the word GENERALLY shouldn't be a word that describes how rules & regulations are enforced. Lacks legitimacy and even playing fields. Just saying

It's a context-based enforcement. Let's address both touching and pre-game shooting in practice to clarify why refs may choose not to enforce these two rules to the dot. To avoid nitpicking we'll assume that each situation occurs in such a way that makes intentions obvious.

Touching - should a player get a penalty if they...

1. Pound fists, tap elbows, high five, or engage in any other friendly gesture with a player on the other team after trading out in a run through?
2. Restrain a teammate that's very upset?
3. Catch somebody that's about to fall over on the sideline?
4. Jump the snake in a run-through and accidentally come into harmless contact with the snake player?
5. Run too fast and accidentally bump into someone else?

Shooting before the start of a point - should a player get a penalty if they...

1. Shoot toward the sideline when getting chronoed by a ref?
2. Shoot toward the other team's side when getting chronoed by a ref?
3. Shoot one ball through a lane to check their aim at 10 seconds?
4. Shoot cross field to spot check velocity/barrel cleanliness?
5. Shoot toward the sideline net to check their gun if refs are standing in front of the box?
6. Shoot toward an area that is clearly not occupied by players or refs?

In these situations, the rulebook may state that a penalty should be assessed, but in practice, it wouldn't be so clear cut for a referee. Personally, I wouldn't call the penalty unless it caused harm to the other team, gave the player in question a competitive advantage, or otherwise influenced the game. The only time I would absolutely pull the penalty for shooting the spectator net is if a player intentionally aimed at a spectator, such as retaliation for countercoaching or cat calls, or if a spectator got hit in the eyes with spray. Shooting the corner of the field or at foot height is harmless.

The easiest way to understand why a ref wouldn't pull a penalty is to ask yourself how you would feel on both sides of the argument. Everyone throws a hissy fit when a penalty is not assessed for a gray area situation. Everyone throws a bigger hissy fit when they're the team that gets the penalty for it. Everyone wants consistency from the refs, but nobody wants the nitpicking penalty when they do it themselves. As a referee you need to remember that you are not at PSP events to **** the players, you're there to promote safe and fair gameplay. Pulling bull**** penalties for harmless actions is petty.

[TheGrimReeper]

in 2009 psp chicago me and a teamate got pulled out for giving each other a high-five just before i hung the flag. this would have ruined our event if we did not had one player left alive who saw what happened to then hang it. we did not get penalties assessed, just got "eliminated".

after that happpened we have always dropped the flag on the ground to pass it to a teamate to hang rather then handing it to them because you risk both of you getting eliminated.

if this rule has not changed then i call bs on the hulk game, any player who "touched" anyone on there own team should have been eliminated flat out.
rules are rules and should be enforced in every instance.

really IMO they just have that rule to use against teams the reffs dont like or if a team is giving them ****, otherwise they dont use it