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Old 10-24-2012, 12:10 PM #190
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1115210944.htm

A bit old, but god ****ing damn. Ancient Greece anyone?
They should have done a better job distinguishing those papers as from a medical archive. Keep in mind the relative privatization of medicine in the US...
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:10 PM #191
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Mathematics isn't an oral thing.
Just what the hell is the relevance of this?
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:15 PM #192
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Just what the hell is the relevance of this?
If you're talking about written story telling there's plenty of access to it and they choose to not read that "story." My assumption is that you're talking about oral story telling as that's how creation myths originally propagated and mathematics really isn't an oral thing.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:17 PM #193
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If you're talking about written story telling there's plenty of access to it and they choose to not read that "story." My assumption is that you're talking about oral story telling as that's how creation myths originally propagated and mathematics really isn't an oral thing.
No that's not what I was talking about.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:19 PM #194
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They should have done a better job distinguishing those papers as from a medical archive. Keep in mind the relative privatization of medicine in the US...
Charlatans to the lions?
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:02 PM #195
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Charlatans to the lions?
That's how academia works.

I am a little curious about your "math as allegory" statement. Are you arguing that pure mathematics is storytelling? Or is it only storytelling when it's used to model something?

If pure math is storytelling, what story is it telling?
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:54 PM #196
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That's how academia works.

I am a little curious about your "math as allegory" statement. Are you arguing that pure mathematics is storytelling? Or is it only storytelling when it's used to model something?

If pure math is storytelling, what story is it telling?
I prefer actual lions. Sophists can't sin from the grave.

I think it can be both, though I'm having trouble coming up with an argument for the former right now, so we will have to proceed on with the latter.

I literally just thought of this idea when responding to Treghc so bare with me.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:59 PM #197
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I literally just thought of this idea when responding to Treghc so bare with me.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:34 PM #198
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Numbers are symbols, equations are allegorical and all of mathematics is story telling.
Yo, man, like everything is just part of, like, the story of mother earth *hippy accent*

No, but really, I like this idea. What is "1+1" but taking two separate things and putting them together? Can equations exist without story? I don't believe they can. Hell, what is "4" but a collection of 4 things? Not sure how this is relevant to creationism being a joke, but I still like it.
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No, but really, I like this idea. What is "1+1" but taking two separate things and putting them together? Can equations exist without story? I don't believe they can. Hell, what is "4" but a collection of 4 things? Not sure how this is relevant to creationism being a joke, but I still like it.
All you're doing here is demonstrating a lack of understanding of number theory. In pure math, "1" is a concept that is demonstrably independent from a "thing".

This reminds me of a time I overheard some philosophy majors talking about GR. I wanted to walk over and punch every single one of them in the face.
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All you're doing here is demonstrating a lack of understanding of number theory. In pure math, "1" is a concept that is demonstrably independent from a "thing".

This reminds me of a time I overheard some philosophy majors talking about GR. I wanted to walk over and punch every single one of them in the face.
You're right; I am not well versed in number theory. Philosophically, I mostly stuck to ethics. Secondly, this wasn't really my idea. I was just taking a comment and running with it. Considering, I feel it would be more productive to explain my mistakes rather than simply tell me I'm wrong though, especially when I do you the service of dismantling the historic authority of creationism.
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All you're doing here is demonstrating a lack of understanding of number theory. In pure math, "1" is a concept that is demonstrably independent from a "thing".

This reminds me of a time I overheard some philosophy majors talking about GR. I wanted to walk over and punch every single one of them in the face.
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