[licence2kill]

Originally Posted by ladd_17

In a civilized society, I believe is typically most beneficial to oneself to be cooperative with your fellow man. This is why people conform to societal norms and why some people attempt to equate "good" with "obedient".

You have this backwards. We live in societies because man is inherently cooperative.

[ladd_17]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Man wouldn't be cooperative if it wasn't in his best interest.

[Iamamartianchurch]

Originally Posted by ladd_17

In a situation where you have to kill for your country, you are also fighting for your own life. I think it could be argued that self-defense is not a sin, but that's another topic.

To expand on my comment above, I believe that man is inherently selfish. We do what is in our best interest. This lends itself to license2kill's statement that man is inherently cooperative.

In a civilized society, I believe is typically most beneficial to oneself to be cooperative with your fellow man. This is why people conform to societal norms and why some people attempt to equate "obedient" with "good". However, when it is no longer in the best interests of a man to be obedient, that man, being inherently selfish, will break the societal norms to get what he needs.

I no longer agree with you. Just for the record.

[ladd_17]

That's cool