[Kolder]

Originally Posted by BenderBR

I have. It was called last year. And you're right. You do have better players. And you only won by 5 while we turned it over 4 times and missed two FGs. If you think we aren't going to be a force soon...lol. This team was supposed to be 6-6 at best this year in the SEC. Surpassing expectations and getting better faster than anyone thought.

If you really think last year's offense was worse not sure you understand how football works. The game wasn't even as close as your little moral victory we are rising self would like to make it out to be. Gave a garbage time TD because everyone knew the game was over.

I don't think you will be a force soon. You'll be a very solid middle of the pack team. Why does no one understand you need a legitimate defense to be competitive at the top level? Your defense? It's no where close to that.

[the other one]

Originally Posted by Kolder

your little gimmick spread offense

I have a sort of legitimate question: when does something (such as a spread offense) cease to become a gimmick, and become a "real" thing?

[Kolder]

Originally Posted by the other one

I have a sort of legitimate question: when does something (such as a spread offense) cease to become a gimmick, and become a "real" thing?

When it wins a championship.

[BenderBR]

Originally Posted by Kolder

If you really think last year's offense was worse not sure you understand how football works. The game wasn't even as close as your little moral victory we are rising self would like to make it out to be. Gave a garbage time TD because everyone knew the game was over.

I don't think you will be a force soon. You'll be a very solid middle of the pack team. Why does no one understand you need a legitimate defense to be competitive at the top level? Your defense? It's no where close to that.

New scheme with first year coaches and almost zero depth. This game was just as close as it looked and no one watching would say A&M didn't belong. If you don't think A&M is building, you haven't been paying attention. And I'm a-ok with that. At least you can keep drinking all weekend, not like you have any hard classes at LSU.

[SmartyJones]

When it's used successfully in the SEC and NFL.

LSU was much better on offense last year. JJ's running threat at least kept defenses honest and Lee was no where near as inept as Mett.

The reality is somewhere in between what you two are arguing. LSU isn't going to fade to mediocrity; they'll still be a perennial power and get top recruits every year. But Texas A&M isn't going to be a whipping boy for this conference. As they get more top 10 classes and stack up some depth they'll be a real threat to the top of the league.

[the other one]

Originally Posted by Kolder

When it wins a championship.

From Wikipedia:

In the second year of the Chizik era of Auburn football, offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn continued use of his no-huddle hurry-up schemes. This offense relies on an attacking ground game from different spread sets, using fakes and misdirection, to set up a play action passing attack through the air, while snapping the ball almost as soon as it is placed to give the defense less time to react to different looks.

....soooo.... Two years ago?

[Kolder]

Originally Posted by the other one

From Wikipedia:



....soooo.... Two years ago?

I guess you could call the cam newton offense a spread offense. But they won that championship in conjunction with a good defense. Something none of those other year in and year out spread teams have.

[kfresh]

[SmartyJones]

Spread is a huge generalization, as there are so many variations of it at all levels of the sport. It comes down to discretion. TT's spread with Graham Harrell was gimmick spread. New England's spread was not.

Now things that are gimmicky all the time: wildcat, triple option, most pistol formation stuff, the Tebow spread-option

[the other one]

Originally Posted by Kolder

they won that championship in conjunction with a good defense. Something none of those other year in and year out spread teams have.

Absolutely..... But I'm just asking about the offense being referred to as a "gimmick", when it's most assuredly not anymore.

Originally Posted by SmartyJones

Spread is a huge generalization, as there are so many variations of it at all levels of the sport. It comes down to discretion. TT's spread with Graham Harrell was gimmick spread. New England's spread was not.

Now things that are gimmicky all the time: wildcat, triple option, most pistol formation stuff, the Tebow spread-option

I disagree... If something is used on a consistent basis with positive results, then it means that teams are seeing what they're doing (through game film), and still aren't able to stop it (without having a superior defense in every way)....... Then that's not a gimmick, that's a successful offensive scheme.

If something is done maybe once or twice and works sometimes but not others.... That's where I see the "gimmick" label as being appropriate. I think trick plays are a gimmick, but not an entire offensive playbook. Like Oregon's "fake out" extra point formations.... THAT'S a gimmick. Their consistent playcalling is just their offense.


....and this is all my own opinions, of course, which may very well be incorrect.

[SmartyJones]

Thing is, the wildcat and triple option are not used effectively unless they catch people off-guard. That's why they are gimmicks. I suppose I should have clarified on my last example, but I meant the Tebow spread option in the NFL. Although I still say his success in college was more a result of a tremendous cast of talent around him.

[the other one]

Originally Posted by SmartyJones

Thing is, the wildcat and triple option are not used effectively unless they catch people off-guard. That's why they are gimmicks. I suppose I should have clarified on my last example, but I meant the Tebow spread option in the NFL. Although I still say his success in college was more a result of a tremendous cast of talent around him.

I can agree with those statements.

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