[firefoxx04]

As the title says, i cannot get my vice to cycle. With the lpr gauge installed, starting at flush, the lpr will not build pressure. It just starts to leak when I turn the lpr screw inward.

The gauge sits at zero and the leak gets bigger as i move the screw further.

Replaced the following orings

LPR outer orings
LPR piston oring
Poppet oring
Cup seal/ poppet housing orings
race track oring

New battery

Tried regulator from my independence (both INDY and Vice regs set to 220psi with no luck.)


The LPR works because the leak wont happen until i add pressure. It sounds like its from the solenoid area. I want to say that one of the barbs or noid hoses is leaking but i cant tell because i cant air the marker up with the frame removed. I do not think the cup seal is nicked and not sealing because it felt smooth to the touch and has never been removed until today (has not leaked before either. always rock solid)

With the ram installed, i turn the lpr in until the leak starts and then i try try to dry fire but the ram does not budge. Making me think that the noid is most certainly not getting pressure.

Noid clicks when the marker is pressurized and leaking. Noid clicks when the marker is degassed as well.

Marker has a lp poppet but otherwise stock. This gun has never given us a problem in the 2 years we have had it.

Any ideas?

Thanks

~ Joe

[Trigger Finger]

Originally Posted by firefoxx04

As the title says, i cannot get my vice to cycle. With the lpr gauge installed, starting at flush, the lpr will not build pressure. It just starts to leak when I turn the lpr screw inward.

The gauge sits at zero and the leak gets bigger as i move the screw further.

Replaced the following orings

LPR outer orings
LPR piston oring
Poppet oring
Cup seal/ poppet housing orings
race track oring

New battery

Tried regulator from my independence (both INDY and Vice regs set to 220psi with no luck.)


The LPR works because the leak wont happen until i add pressure. It sounds like its from the solenoid area. I want to say that one of the barbs or noid hoses is leaking but i cant tell because i cant air the marker up with the frame removed. I do not think the cup seal is nicked and not sealing because it felt smooth to the touch and has never been removed until today (has not leaked before either. always rock solid)

With the ram installed, i turn the lpr in until the leak starts and then i try try to dry fire but the ram does not budge. Making me think that the noid is most certainly not getting pressure.

Noid clicks when the marker is pressurized and leaking. Noid clicks when the marker is degassed as well.

Marker has a lp poppet but otherwise stock. This gun has never given us a problem in the 2 years we have had it.

Any ideas?

Thanks

~ Joe

your best bet is to air the gun up with the grip frame off of the gun so you can pinpoint where the leak is. once you find that out then we can help you easier.

also when you have the pressure tester on the gun try to fire it and see what the lpr gauge does. make sure its not spiking

[D-man[WarLlamas]]

Originally Posted by firefoxx04

...It sounds like its from the solenoid area. I want to say that one of the barbs or noid hoses is leaking but i cant tell because i cant air the marker up with the frame removed...

Make sure the LPR is assembled properly.

Check that the hose from the LPR to the solenoid is properly connected. If you've recently removed the brass solenoid manifold, make sure it is properly seated and tight with good orings.

Vice manual

^^^Just in case you needed it.

-D

[DaWeekendWarrior]

I've had my vice since it came out with no problems until only recently I had to change the hoses cause they were just old and slipped right off the barb. That's all I can contribute..

[firefoxx04]

CANNOT REMOVE FRAME FROM VICE WITHOUT REMOVING HPR

LPR is assembled correctl.ly. the gun had the same problems before and after i took the lpr out.

sounds like an old hose. after replacing all those orings, nothing changed.

lets think deeper. how common is it for a noid to leak? i dont think this is the case as the noid would still function if it was getting pressure but the ram wont move and the noid clicks as if its aired off. the leak must be between the lpr housing and the noid. sounds like its near the valve making me think its from a hose or maybe a seal under the pary that the hoses connect to (right need the valve)

posting from phone, sorry if bad wording/ spelling

[Trigger Finger]

Originally Posted by firefoxx04

CANNOT REMOVE FRAME FROM VICE WITHOUT REMOVING HPR

LPR is assembled correctl.ly. the gun had the same problems before and after i took the lpr out.

sounds like an old hose. after replacing all those orings, nothing changed.

lets think deeper. how common is it for a noid to leak? i dont think this is the case as the noid would still function if it was getting pressure but the ram wont move and the noid clicks as if its aired off. the leak must be between the lpr housing and the noid. sounds like its near the valve making me think its from a hose or maybe a seal under the pary that the hoses connect to (right need the valve)

posting from phone, sorry if bad wording/ spelling

damn nevermind then..... check all the hose like th guys said above and if that doesnt solve it then maybe you need to replace an oring on the solenoid piston

[gamer565]

Originally Posted by Trigger Finger

damn nevermind then..... check all the hose like th guys said above and if that doesnt solve it then maybe you need to replace an oring on the solenoid piston

Good luck getting the correct oring for that...

Check and make sure the bracket holding the noid down has it's orings and the orings on the body under the noid are there as well. Then make sure the noid is correctly lined up with that bracket before tighten down with a good tight snug.

Then check the brass piece with 2 barbs that, that has it's orings and is tighten down with a good snug.

You can actually remove the frame and air up the body, but Blast never released the tool to public for that...

[Trigger Finger]

Originally Posted by gamer565

Good luck getting the correct oring for that...

Check and make sure the bracket holding the noid down has it's orings and the orings on the body under the noid are there as well. Then make sure the noid is correctly lined up with that bracket before tighten down with a good tight snug.

Then check the brass piece with 2 barbs that, that has it's orings and is tighten down with a good snug.

You can actually remove the frame and air up the body, but Blast never released the tool to public for that...

i have the correct orings because i needed them when i needed to fix my marqs solenoid.

[firefoxx04]

my indy can air up with frame and noid removed.

didnt get to look at it today. i work third and slept for 11 hours

[specopsdeath2]

Turned out the noid was stuck open. Got lubed and it's running fine now

[firefoxx04]

Okay so the gun is working. Ill put it through its paces on sunday.

After replacing all lpr, valve, poppet, ram, and the little orings around the noid.. the gun still leaked whenever i tried to put pressure through the lpr.


I then started thinking about dow55 and how it swells orings. Then i though, "hmm, the gun was half cycling before it started leaking.."

then i thought, what if the noid half cycled and i degassed the marker with the noid half open? and what if the noid is stuck half open and venting air before it reaches the rammer?

Popped the noid out, took a look inside. the piston appeared to be sticking out just a tad. IT was enough for me to get tweezers on it and pull it out. it fought me the entire way but i got it. caked in dow55 of course... nice and dry. Cleaned it off and relubed with violent pb jelly (Best grease ever. All other orings greased with dow55)

Re installed the noid, rammer, bolt. Slid the bolt forward and aired the marker up. the bolt slammed back into position and dry fired a little. gave it a little more lpr and it did NOT LEAK.

with my hpr already set to 220psi or so, i went outside and gave it more lpr until it cronoed 285 ish. went back inside and checked the lpr.. above 80psi and still sealing. dropped it down to under 80psi. probably between 65-70psi.

checked the dwell and it was fine but bumped it up to 7ms.

re cronoed with the hpr this time to a 285-290 and ripped an entire pod with no issues. everything is looking good.


guess being a DP user for a while payed off, not afraid to dig into a solinoid like most users



Now my question, the owner of this gun (he is off doing military things, that is why i have had it for so long) used to say that the LP poppet liked a lpr of 60-65 and a dwell of 8ms while the stock poppet liked 70psi and 6ms dwell. what do you guys think? I dont want to spend to much time tuning it in as i rarely use it. right now it seems alright at 7ms and 70psi. it kicked more than before, still shoot good but its kinda jumpy. Brand new rammer orings probably need more pressure to move the ram.

Thanks for the ideas guys!

~ Joe

[gamer565]

The lp poppet does not directly effect Lpr pressure. Should be able to leave it where it is.

Though after installing one it's best to sweet spot the regs

[firefoxx04]

i cannot seem to find the sweet spot thread. not sure what the deal is with that. would like to dial my indy in with that info. ill prolly shoot the vice on stock settings until its broken in really well again.

[specopsdeath2]

Originally Posted by firefoxx04

i cannot seem to find the sweet spot thread. not sure what the deal is with that. would like to dial my indy in with that info. ill prolly shoot the vice on stock settings until its broken in really well again.

It's in the stickies on how to tune a Timmy. Aka Lurkers sweet spotting method

[D-man[WarLlamas]]

Originally Posted by firefoxx04

i cannot seem to find the sweet spot thread...

Easier to go straight to the source.

http://www.lurkerpb.com/r-d/sweetspo...r-intimidator/