Originally Posted by Trigger Finger
ok so you wanna talk about a Ferrari. the ego is the Ferrari in the paintball market. now the G6R is the Koenigsegg of the paintball world. now here is the difference between them. the G6R was not made to be owned by anyone. it was made for people that know how to take care and maintain their markers. the ego was made as a highend that would be idiot proof so all the little PE fanboys can buy it and not have to worry about be disappointed once it breaks because they have no clue how to maintain them. now when they made the ego idiot proof they also had to sacrifice some performance. im not saying the ego is a bad marker but what im trying to say is that bob long easily makes the better marker and if you were to put it in the hands of a PE fanboy they will say they like how the G6r shoots better. but they will still stick with their ego because they dont like the extra maintence. so they try to tell everyone that the G6R is trash compared to the ego because they just dont want to admit they are lazy. the same goes for the etha and G4.
All proto are great markers but im not talking about them. they also cost more than the etha and G4.
Etha gets about 7-8 pods on a full 68/4500 tank.
G4 gets roughly the same possibly a little bit more. once you add the new techt bolt you are getting about 1600ish shots on a full tank.
just because the etha is some sort of poppet doesnt mean it gets good efficiency. just look at a stock marq 6. your lucky to get 1000 shots off a full fill. also spools can be very efficient. just look at the clone.
BTW: i never said you were a fanboy..... just saying.
My hidden point with the the ferrari/koenigsegg was that when you get in the high-end bracket it becomes personal preference. Saying bob long is koenigsegg is think is a terrible comparison. Long has been a respected player in the gun market for a long time... Koenigsegg definitely does not have the history that Ferrari does, same goes for DP.
Also, i dont think anyone has EVER said the g6r was "trash" so dont blow that out of proportion... there are people that hold ease of maintenance very high in their views of a gun. People know what they want and dont feel they need to change their opinion on something when what they currently have works perfect for them. I feel you also take a lot of responses like, "i have the ego11 and its great, i'd take that over a g6r" as a "fanboy" statement, but really, they just truly enjoy what they have and can only comment on what they know for a fact, and that fact is the ego has treated them well with no complaints.
This is a little offtopic, but in the world of watches and timepieces, there are various movements that power these watches. The ego is like the ETA 2824 movement... its an automatic workhorse movement that will last you for decades without needing to be worked on. The ETA is put in watches ranging from 400-5,000$ watches, that being said, there ARE better movements out there, but at the end of the day, people will be loyal to the trusty ETA movement simply because they know it works, and can take a beating... Which is how i feel many Ego owners base their judgment by.
That all being said you're bringing the g6r/ego arguement into this which has really no bearing as to what we were discussing in this thread. I know the g6r is a better gun all around, i never disputed that, nor was it ever brought up until now. And if you want to bring up that no one brought up the car discussion until I did, i will defend myself and say i never argued why one was better, i was just pointing out that people are loyal to the company with more history and tradition.
We are not comparing PE vs Bob Long, we are comparing a newer company with a track record to not properly lube a gun before its packaged against a company that has put out respected guns that have a serious following (yes i'm sure PE has had some flaws in certain guns, but again, they've been out so long that many times it is forgotten about, whereas DP has had such a short life and already they managed to put out a gun with flaws from the factory... so obviously people are going to be hung up on that in terms of comparing two different guns.). All guns have their problems from time to time, no one is disputing that... but to come in here and to call everyone a fanboy and immediately trash on what i witnessed this weekend is just stupid.
As for the efficiency, i'm not going to sit here and argue about bolt systems, but i know for a fact that an Etha is more efficient out of the box than a g4. Sure, you can tune the g4 to be a little better against a non-tuned Etha, but if they were both professionally teched, the Etha would still be ahead.... And i never said it was worlds ahead, i'm just saying that the Etha is marginally better in that aspect. And lets no bring upgrades into this discussion because again, we are talking about stock for stock out of the box.