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Old 09-28-2012, 11:06 PM #1
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I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that abortion is wrong

http://www.polksheriff.org/NewsRoom/...ewbornSon.aspx

14 year old girl smothers her infant son immediately after giving birth to him. She's currently charged with 1st degree murder and child abuse.

This wouldn't have been a story had she simply gotten an abortion, but if she did, the same end result would have occurred and the motive still stays the same: she didn't want the kid so she got rid of it.

I used to be pro choice but I think I've finally come around to the pro-life side. We should ban abortion. Instead of giving the woman a choice whether to carry the child to term or not, give them the choice of giving away the baby (and absolving themselves of legal responsibility) to become a ward of the state. If it happens again, she can give the baby away again but must then undergo sterilization.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:17 PM #2
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I too was pro choice before I became educated on abortion. It's horrible what people are capable of.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:19 PM #3
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Location doesn't equal "life"...

A baby is still a baby even if it is in the womb or out of it. A society that kills a baby is a flawed society, that doesn't value humanity.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:21 PM #4
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A baby exists only after birth.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:34 PM #5
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A baby exists only after birth.
Only if you have a liberalbotomy...

Of course a baby in the womb is a baby.


When my wife was pregnant, I talked to my kids in her belly often. When they were born, the doctor handed me my child and I talked to her and instantly she got quiet and looked up at me. Because she KNEW my voice...

But, in your mind, that was just a lump of tissue?...


Get with reality dude.
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Our laws are wacky. A doctor can be sued and tried for double manslaughter (or whatever the actual accidental charge is for killing two people) if s/he accidentally kills the fetus in the womb and the mother. Where as a pregnant woman can choose to abort and not be charged with manslaughter. I guess the rational is who holds the gun or choice.

Is killing an embryo the same as killing a fetus a min before birth, as well as 1 min after birth?

People who argue pro-choice rarely give a solid answer as to when life starts and deserves human rights. I for one still don't support one side over the other, though I lean pro-life. better yet,
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:36 PM #7
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A decent discussion on yahoo answers about it.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1111247AAYJUbt

Murder is defined as killing a human. A human is defined as someone who can think, speak, etc. and a baby can barely do any of those. Especially at only a few weeks.

In other words, kill the bastards before they end up being born and have ****ty lives. There are plenty enough orphans in this world already. Why add more? **** giving someone a poor hand of cards. I'd rather have been aborted that have been born by some 16 year old whore who gave me up for adoption and I spent my whole life being a little angsty *****.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:41 PM #8
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Who cares? as I hae pointed out 6.5 BILLION people and counting on this planet, if a few hundred thousand are never born every year, its not going to make a impact.

Pro-abortion all the way, we need FORCED abortions so folks like...well a good 1/4 of the foolish who waste their time on believing in some kind of "god" are taken out.

For that matter, what makes it so wrong to have an abortion?
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:48 PM #9
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Only if you have a liberalbotomy...
What is that, exactly? Is this performed by liberal overlords.

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Of course a baby in the womb is a baby.
Your logic is infallible, sir.



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When my wife was pregnant, I talked to my kids in her belly often. When they were born, the doctor handed me my child and I talked to her and instantly she got quiet and looked up at me. Because she KNEW my voice...

But, in your mind, that was just a lump of tissue?...


Get with reality dude.
You're confusing a baby with a fetus, again.
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:50 PM #10
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You're confusing a baby with a fetus, again.
You realise you are arguing with someone who puts all his energy and "faith" into believing in something you can not see, hear, touch, taste, or even make a credible theory based on facts about?
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:07 AM #11
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A baby exists only after birth.
Right. And if a woman carries a zygote to term, most likely she's going to end up with a baby.

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A decent discussion on yahoo answers about it.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1111247AAYJUbt

Murder is defined as killing a human. A human is defined as someone who can think, speak, etc. and a baby can barely do any of those. Especially at only a few weeks.

In other words, kill the bastards before they end up being born and have ****ty lives. There are plenty enough orphans in this world already. Why add more? **** giving someone a poor hand of cards. I'd rather have been aborted that have been born by some 16 year old whore who gave me up for adoption and I spent my whole life being a little angsty *****.
Are you for universal health care or a financial safety net? Those are issues about human rights. Abortion is the ultimate human rights issue, because that zygote will turn into a baby.

Nobody has the choice of being born into the world. But it seems once they are, they cling onto life for as long as possible. People obviously like living. And saying you'd prefer to be aborted rather than living as a ward of the state is ridiculous. You have no way of really knowing. It's essentially saying the same thing as "I'd rather be aborted than born black".
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Old 09-29-2012, 12:36 AM #12
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I hate the "it is the womans choice" argument. She made her "Choice" when she decided to have sex, which has been scientifically proven to result in babies.
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Old 09-29-2012, 01:00 AM #13
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You realise you are arguing with someone who puts all his energy and "faith" into believing in something you can not see, hear, touch, taste, or even make a credible theory based on facts about?
I know, but if we can teach something to a lurker, it makes it all worth it. Use that whole proselytizing thing against them.
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Our laws are wacky. A doctor can be sued and tried for double manslaughter (or whatever the actual accidental charge is for killing two people) if s/he accidentally kills the fetus in the womb and the mother. Where as a pregnant woman can choose to abort and not be charged with manslaughter. I guess the rational is who holds the gun or choice.
No ****ing **** who holds the gun makes a big difference. Shooting yourself in the head is WORLDS different from shooting someone else in the head. It's it is a HUGE difference, practically as huge as can possibly be.
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I hate the "it is the womans choice" argument. She made her "Choice" when she decided to have sex, which has been scientifically proven to result in babies.
So you have no issue in telling another human being what they are allowed to do? You could stare a woman straight in the face and tell her "You HAVE TO have this child."

And then what when they don't? Put them in jail? Fine them? Laughable...
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Well that was a ****ed up story

But as long as you let a doctor kill your baby instead of yourself it should be ok. Anyone who says it's one small step away from infanticide is just oppressive to women and wants to see them barefoot
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I'm down to say no to abortion when you clowns are down to pick up the welfare tab. Funny how you ***** about paying for the kid that you MADE them have......idiots.
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It should absolutely be illegal under every circumstance.

It's not a religious issue, it's a personal responsibility issue. Don't expect entitlements to help you out if you have that kid either. If you had sex and can't handle the responsibility that comes with it, then I guess you and your kid are both starving and then promptly expiring.

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You realise you are arguing with someone who puts all his energy and "faith" into believing in something you can not see, hear, touch, taste, or even make a credible theory based on facts about?
Once again the sexually deviant, pederasting, Communist manages to make me LOL hard.

You realize that when you have tangible proof of something, it's no longer based on faith, right?
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No ****ing **** who holds the gun makes a big difference. Shooting yourself in the head is WORLDS different from shooting someone else in the head. It's it is a HUGE difference, practically as huge as can possibly be.
I shoot your kid in the face, that's bad I go to jail. You shoot your own kid, that's fine nothing to see here? I pay a doctor to "botch" a delivery, I'm the father than what?
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I'm down to say no to abortion when you clowns are down to pick up the welfare tab. Funny how you ***** about paying for the kid that you MADE them have......idiots.
The root of the problem isn;t abortion, its the unintended pregnancy. I can't stand how "religious" people choose not to use protection and have as many kids as they have sex and get government money. Go to your pope and ask for money from them since they are the ones to told you not to use BC.

And no, it's not anyone else's responsibility to pick up the tab for someone else's kid or mistake.
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And no, it's not anyone else's responsibility to pick up the tab for someone else's kid or mistake.
Oh, but it very well is if the mother can't afford to raise her child.
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