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Old 09-25-2012, 06:06 PM #22
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:26 PM #23
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:59 PM #24
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:24 PM #25
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you can easily mod a epic speed feed to fit.
stock epic


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i cut off the small pronts on the top section but you dont have too.



you dont have to do this either but I did just because im anal like that and wanted the speed feed to sit flush. I also had an extra one incase i screwed it up.




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Old 09-26-2012, 06:02 PM #26
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The only problem I have had with mine is that the tab that holds the lid shut snapped off, so I guess it is time to buy a speed feed.
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you can easily mod a epic speed feed to fit.
stock epic
[IMG]http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx132/aaron_fraher/0799977D-A5CB-471B-A753-6CE8375415F9-1605-00000116EB4E3FA8.jpg[IMG]

modded epic
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modded epic installed
i cut off the small pronts on the top section but you dont have too.
[IMG]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg21/scaled.php?server=21&filename=spiretop.jpg&res=lan ding[IMG]


you dont have to do this either but I did just because im anal like that and wanted the speed feed to sit flush. I also had an extra one incase i screwed it up.
[IMG]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg836/scaled.php?server=836&filename=myspiretop.jpg&res= landing[IMG]

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[IMG]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg571/scaled.php?server=571&filename=spire2.jpg&res=land ing[IMG]
To piggy back on NeCanes posts (some of those pics look familiar.... ) here is a video I made for people that were not fully grasping the concept on putting the Epic/Exalt/Spine on a Spire.

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Small reball test.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:03 AM #32
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I finally got around to playing with my Spire (only took taking some vacation time and a semi-rainy day)...

I'm actually really really loving this thing.

I'll start by saying who I am. I'm a huge fan of Virtue products. I have Virtue boards in all but 2 of my Dyes (DM4 and DM5 are chipped, DM6/7/8/9 all redefined, DM7/10 and NT10 have OLEDs. one DM7 and NT11 are stock boards, for now) and Virtue boards in various other markers including Angels (G7 and A1), Shocker (RL with RL board), and Marq 6.

As one can kind of tell, I love Dye products as well.

For hoppers, I have about every hopper that has been made at one point in paintball... Or have had... My favorite hoppers currently out are the Prophecy and second the Rotor followed by the Halo V35. My favorite hoppers ever are the Prophecy and the OG Revys.

My first impression on the Spire was 'holy over packaged!'... But hey the clear box package does look sweet.

The feel and fit and finish on the Spire are good. Feels somewhere in between the Prophecy and the Rotor... which is a good thing IMO. IMO the rotor is over built and heavy. The Spire feels built strong yet feels a little lighter in hand (totally forget to weigh it ). I love the simple strip down of the Spire, about as easy as the Rotor. I didn't really like the screws for the lower tray but honestly I don't care. It would make a 100% disassemble a little longer then a Prophecy but again, I don't really care.

On to testing. I brought a variety of my markers. From ultra fast things to super duper quiet. All were chronoed at 275fps for each test.

I used a variety of paint from some All Stars that are well aged (with a broken ball or two in them), to 3 year old Anarchy that is still stellar, to reballs. I brought 2 field chronos with me.

Paint test (Used Spire, Prophecy and Rotor with Virtue board and virtue soft paddles as these are IMO the best 3 loaders).

Broken all stars (@ 0.682 bore size with some being as large as 0.689): The spire and prophecy loaded and never jammed. The rotor would occasionally jam when fully loaded with 160 paintballs. After the first 50-60 were shot, never jammed.

Anarchy (0.684 bore size): All 3 loaders never jammed.

Reballs (0.682 bore size): The spire and prophecy never jammed. I new better then to load the rotor, but I did anyway. Couldn't feed more then 1 shot...

Speed tests (sustained rates = average on chrono, max rates are the max bps shown on the chrono):
NT10 w/Virtue OLED: Did this test first to ensure my chronos and the board settings were accurate and acceptable between the board and chronos. Test 1: 12.5bps full auto. All 3 loaders feed fine and chronos and board are all within 0.1bps. Test 2: 15bps full auto. All 3 loaders feed fine and all ran 14.9-15.0bps. Test 3: 17bps full auto. The prophecy and spire both shot an indicated 17bps, the rotor shot an indicated 16.7bps sustained rate with max of 17bps. Hindsight is saying this is where the Rotor is starting to not handle the speed. Test 4: 22bps full auto: The spire and prophecy both shot rates of 22bps on chrono and marker. The Rotor showed max rate of 21.2 on marker and chrono, sustained rate shown on chrono as 19.8.

Here's where I switched markers to first my Cyborg RX. Uncapped showed the rotor feed 20.1bps, Spire sustained 24.2bps, Prophecy sustained 24.3bps.

Next I grabbed my MQ2 SR. Sustained rates: Rotor feed 20.0bps, Spire feed 25.6bps (WOW!), and Prophecy feed 24.9bps. Max rates: rotor 22.4, spire 31.2, prophecy 35.6.

Finally grabbed a chrono cheater marker lol, 05 Black Magic with PE E2 and adjusted the trigger to bounce like mad. Why? Because it's faster then sin itself. Sustained rate (keep in mind this is semi-auto setup to bounce): Rotor 18.6, Spire 24.2, Prophecy 24.8. Max rate (again - this is setup to bounce and the chrono takes the fastest 2 back-to-back balls for the max rate): Rotor 23.1, Spire 35.2, Prophecy 38.2.

A few comments, all these results are about what I've seen in the past. I feel the prophecy and rotor were feeding maybe 1bps slower then in the past but whatever, close enough.

Sound/sensing test: I used 3 markers for this, 05 black magic CCM pump, 05 Prostock mechanical with tons of Belsales goodies setup to run low pressure (180psi) that is super duper quiet, MacDev Droid, and DM7, again super quiet...

For this test, it's pointless to test the rotor so it is shelved.

The Prophecy has always had a problem 'hearing' these 4 without the sound sensitivity cranked so I set it to 3 for the test. It heard the DM7, Droid and Black magic just fine. Once it didn't hear the Prostock.

The spire in stock settings indicated and loaded each marker...

Overall I'm really loving the Spire. Not sure if it has taken over the #1 spot from my Prophecy yet... but it's close and has moved in front of the Rotor to my #2 spot. I truly love the rotor and love that most kids love them so I'm not having to put together prophecies at the field, but IMO it still has too many issues with small paintballs and reballs to make it my favorite.
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Old 09-27-2012, 02:20 PM #33
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:43 PM #34
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I finally got around to playing with my Spire (only took taking some vacation time and a semi-rainy day)...

I'm actually really really loving this thing.

I'll start by saying who I am. I'm a huge fan of Virtue products. I have Virtue boards in all but 2 of my Dyes (DM4 and DM5 are chipped, DM6/7/8/9 all redefined, DM7/10 and NT10 have OLEDs. one DM7 and NT11 are stock boards, for now) and Virtue boards in various other markers including Angels (G7 and A1), Shocker (RL with RL board), and Marq 6.

As one can kind of tell, I love Dye products as well.

For hoppers, I have about every hopper that has been made at one point in paintball... Or have had... My favorite hoppers currently out are the Prophecy and second the Rotor followed by the Halo V35. My favorite hoppers ever are the Prophecy and the OG Revys.

My first impression on the Spire was 'holy over packaged!'... But hey the clear box package does look sweet.

The feel and fit and finish on the Spire are good. Feels somewhere in between the Prophecy and the Rotor... which is a good thing IMO. IMO the rotor is over built and heavy. The Spire feels built strong yet feels a little lighter in hand (totally forget to weigh it ). I love the simple strip down of the Spire, about as easy as the Rotor. I didn't really like the screws for the lower tray but honestly I don't care. It would make a 100% disassemble a little longer then a Prophecy but again, I don't really care.

On to testing. I brought a variety of my markers. From ultra fast things to super duper quiet. All were chronoed at 275fps for each test.

I used a variety of paint from some All Stars that are well aged (with a broken ball or two in them), to 3 year old Anarchy that is still stellar, to reballs. I brought 2 field chronos with me.

Paint test (Used Spire, Prophecy and Rotor with Virtue board and virtue soft paddles as these are IMO the best 3 loaders).

Broken all stars (@ 0.682 bore size with some being as large as 0.689): The spire and prophecy loaded and never jammed. The rotor would occasionally jam when fully loaded with 160 paintballs. After the first 50-60 were shot, never jammed.

Anarchy (0.684 bore size): All 3 loaders never jammed.

Reballs (0.682 bore size): The spire and prophecy never jammed. I new better then to load the rotor, but I did anyway. Couldn't feed more then 1 shot...

Speed tests (sustained rates = average on chrono, max rates are the max bps shown on the chrono):
NT10 w/Virtue OLED: Did this test first to ensure my chronos and the board settings were accurate and acceptable between the board and chronos. Test 1: 12.5bps full auto. All 3 loaders feed fine and chronos and board are all within 0.1bps. Test 2: 15bps full auto. All 3 loaders feed fine and all ran 14.9-15.0bps. Test 3: 17bps full auto. The prophecy and spire both shot an indicated 17bps, the rotor shot an indicated 16.7bps sustained rate with max of 17bps. Hindsight is saying this is where the Rotor is starting to not handle the speed. Test 4: 22bps full auto: The spire and prophecy both shot rates of 22bps on chrono and marker. The Rotor showed max rate of 21.2 on marker and chrono, sustained rate shown on chrono as 19.8.

Here's where I switched markers to first my Cyborg RX. Uncapped showed the rotor feed 20.1bps, Spire sustained 24.2bps, Prophecy sustained 24.3bps.

Next I grabbed my MQ2 SR. Sustained rates: Rotor feed 20.0bps, Spire feed 25.6bps (WOW!), and Prophecy feed 24.9bps. Max rates: rotor 22.4, spire 31.2, prophecy 35.6.

Finally grabbed a chrono cheater marker lol, 05 Black Magic with PE E2 and adjusted the trigger to bounce like mad. Why? Because it's faster then sin itself. Sustained rate (keep in mind this is semi-auto setup to bounce): Rotor 18.6, Spire 24.2, Prophecy 24.8. Max rate (again - this is setup to bounce and the chrono takes the fastest 2 back-to-back balls for the max rate): Rotor 23.1, Spire 35.2, Prophecy 38.2.

A few comments, all these results are about what I've seen in the past. I feel the prophecy and rotor were feeding maybe 1bps slower then in the past but whatever, close enough.

Sound/sensing test: I used 3 markers for this, 05 black magic CCM pump, 05 Prostock mechanical with tons of Belsales goodies setup to run low pressure (180psi) that is super duper quiet, MacDev Droid, and DM7, again super quiet...

For this test, it's pointless to test the rotor so it is shelved.

The Prophecy has always had a problem 'hearing' these 4 without the sound sensitivity cranked so I set it to 3 for the test. It heard the DM7, Droid and Black magic just fine. Once it didn't hear the Prostock.

The spire in stock settings indicated and loaded each marker...

Overall I'm really loving the Spire. Not sure if it has taken over the #1 spot from my Prophecy yet... but it's close and has moved in front of the Rotor to my #2 spot. I truly love the rotor and love that most kids love them so I'm not having to put together prophecies at the field, but IMO it still has too many issues with small paintballs and reballs to make it my favorite.
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I was wondering if anyone had a problem with the spire when it has around less than 50 balls left in it not feeding. I noticed that the "ramp" isn't that high up so it doesn't always feed properly. I would have to tilt my gun back so the balls in front fall back to the feeder so i can shoot again. Was just wondering if anyone else had this problem or if I was just having an unlucky couple of days using it?
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I was wondering if anyone had a problem with the spire when it has around less than 50 balls left in it not feeding. I noticed that the "ramp" isn't that high up so it doesn't always feed properly. I would have to tilt my gun back so the balls in front fall back to the feeder so i can shoot again. Was just wondering if anyone else had this problem or if I was just having an unlucky couple of days using it?
/things that never happen with an original Revy... lol

I did notice it but it's no different then a prophecy IMO... And it's no different then a Rotor when pointed slightly upwards... Until loaders are going to get tall again, I feel this will always be a slight issue as the designers need to keep the floors fairly flat to lower the overall height. I'm not complaining, it's one of those evil necessities to facilitate lower profiles.
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:50 AM #37
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i just noticed it happening a lot more often with the spire than with the rotor, but i never got a jam once so i've been pretty satisfied overall with how it performed. still plan on waiting till after world cup to decide on a new loader
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I don't know about anybody else but Mine runs indefinitely with standby mode turned off.From reading the print media the loader should stop spinning once it detects the amount of resistance from the full stack.
Happened to me too. Prolly low batteries. I put in new batteries and it stopped. Some of the last posts in the old thread indicated when it gets low battery, the sensors lose ability to "see" the balls. Weird thing is, my "old" batteries were still pretty new, so IDK if this thing sucks battery life or if the eyes need the batteries to be mid-level to full for it to work best. And I was using energy paintball batteries, so it wasnt a battery quality issue either.
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I love the spire. It is the most consistent loader I own and now the only loader I choose to own.

However, I cannot speak on the crown. I literally have to shake my loader in order to get the paintballs to fall into the loader. When I try to make the fingers more flexible by bending them as if paintballs were falling past them, they inevitably rip.

Virture, I am so let down. I will NOT pay for a new crown design, when the first one didn't work. This is the most I've ever paid for a loader and for the most part I am more than satisfied, but to hear that you will give me a discount on the redesigned crown feed? No, I should be offered a replacement and a apology.

Otherwise, great loader.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:07 PM #42
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I love the spire. It is the most consistent loader I own and now the only loader I choose to own.

However, I cannot speak on the crown. I literally have to shake my loader in order to get the paintballs to fall into the loader. When I try to make the fingers more flexible by bending them as if paintballs were falling past them, they inevitably rip.

Virture, I am so let down. I will NOT pay for a new crown design, when the first one didn't work. This is the most I've ever paid for a loader and for the most part I am more than satisfied, but to hear that you will give me a discount on the redesigned crown feed? No, I should be offered a replacement and a apology.

Otherwise, great loader.

Let me give you the answer virtue gave me when I presented this problem. "You have a preference issue, there is nothing wrong with the crown speedfeed".

I spent the twenty bucks for a SPINE rotor speedfeed to fix the "preference" problem and its working fine now.
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