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Old 09-14-2012, 10:12 PM #43
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Just one last thing though.....


If you have zero breaks, why would you need such a fancy squeegee??
Heh, talk about getting your *** handed to you.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:01 PM #44
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Oh, its not me that should take it to them, its the OP. Im sure he would get some actual data to backup the tests rather than some dolt who just says, "its humid here and it works for me bro".

Just one last thing though.....


If you have zero breaks, why would you need such a fancy squeegee??
Ever hear of bunker rub? I like my porting to be clean.

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Heh, talk about getting your *** handed to you.
Aw look, his boyfriend is so supportive.
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:12 PM #45
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Aw look, his boyfriend is so supportive.
Hey! Awesome retort! I know some here think you're an *******, but I think you're pretty cool.
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Old 09-15-2012, 03:53 PM #46
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I will say one thing that is fact. To big of an overbore is absolutely worthless. I played in a tournament today and shot empire premium paint. It rolled out my barrel without touching the sides damn near. Had to up my dwell, run reg all the way up and out on LPR to almost flush to get it to hit the 300 mark. It was incredibly inaccurate, bad on air, and made my ego sound like a F'n cannon. Brought it home and shot 1 hopper at a tree with the premium paint hit it 3 out of 10 times from a rather good distance. Put the valken in it on same exact settings and it was shooting hot, but hit the tree 9 out of 10 times. So just to note an extreme overbore is worse than anything.
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:32 PM #47
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I will say one thing that is fact. To big of an overbore is absolutely worthless. I played in a tournament today and shot empire premium paint. It rolled out my barrel without touching the sides damn near. Had to up my dwell, run reg all the way up and out on LPR to almost flush to get it to hit the 300 mark. It was incredibly inaccurate, bad on air, and made my ego sound like a F'n cannon. Brought it home and shot 1 hopper at a tree with the premium paint hit it 3 out of 10 times from a rather good distance. Put the valken in it on same exact settings and it was shooting hot, but hit the tree 9 out of 10 times. So just to note an extreme overbore is worse than anything.
How do you know the difference wasn't due to the paint...you changed brands.

I put a challenge up in this forum a while back.
I have a vid on youtube of me shooting .686-688 marbs through a .700" bore barrel, so about a .013" overbore. At 80' I put 25 shots inside a 14" circle. My challenge was for somebody to replicate the feat on video with an under-bored barrel.

I'm still waiting for somebody to do that, btw.
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:38 PM #48
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How do you know the difference wasn't due to the paint...you changed brands.

I put a challenge up in this forum a while back.
I have a vid on youtube of me shooting .686-688 marbs through a .700" bore barrel, so about a .013" overbore. At 80' I put 25 shots inside a 14" circle. My challenge was for somebody to replicate the feat on video with an under-bored barrel.

I'm still waiting for somebody to do that, btw.
It was the paint, the premium empire was way to small for the .689 back. Gotta either get a smaller barrel back or continue to shoot the paint I know works. I was asked by the team owner since I paid to shoot the paint he supplied. I wasn't thrilled with the idea but I did it because it's his team and I play for him.
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Old 09-15-2012, 05:50 PM #49
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It was the paint, the premium empire was way to small for the .689 back....
Not what I meant. You were comparing apples to oranges.
The Premium was a smaller bore then the Valken, but it may also have had other characteristics, like poor seams, that caused it's worse accuracy.
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Old 09-15-2012, 06:25 PM #50
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Not what I meant. You were comparing apples to oranges.
The Premium was a smaller bore then the Valken, but it may also have had other characteristics, like poor seams, that caused it's worse accuracy.
It was a smaller bore no doubt. I did notice a few dimples on the premium paint as well. I honestly don't know a whole lot about paint. But I do know the valken is a bigger bore and my gun sounds and feels completely different shooting valken. The premium made it louder and obviously had more kick as I had to turn everything up. Once I put the valken in the sound signature was reduced drastically.
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Old 09-15-2012, 06:59 PM #51
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Outside of barrel/gun cleanliness, paint choice is always the biggest factor in achieved accuracy. It's not due to how it bores in your barrel though, the difference is caused by surface defects like dimples and raised seams. Generally, you get what you pay for and higher priced paint usually performs better aerodynamically.

I did some controlled testing for a barrel manufacturer, and all barrels will degrade shot spread to a certain extent, some more than others. They do this by inducing random spins on the ball, but this effect is smaller than the effect of a paintball's "quality".

Btw, no barrel can make poor paint shoot straight.
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Old 09-15-2012, 07:05 PM #52
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My guns are maintained to the T. I'm a freak about it really. But thank you for your insight. I just couldn't believe the difference it made going from one paint to another. I was thinking my gun was jacked all day but then I really got time to sit and think and I told myself there is no way this gun is messed up. It has to be the paint. Sure enough once I got home and put valken in it it immediately sounded and acted better.
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:07 PM #53
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Actually this makes more sense than anything else that Ive seen...

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Old 09-16-2012, 07:36 PM #54
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In my experience, paint shape and stiffness have a lot to do with bore selection as well. Disappointing that I never have time to take video of my experiences for the sake of science, but I guess I'm too busy out enjoying the sport.

Proper underboring has VERY little correlation to barrel breaks. This is a provable fact, and one that Gordon would support.

I don't know where anyone could logically draw the conclusion PbN feels threatened by another site, but I can assure you we're too busy doing our own thing to be afraid of anyone else.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:20 AM #55
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I havent been here long so I dont know the history (i.e. why you banned the site name, not the feud with the boogieman), but why would the name of another site (competitor of yours) be on the list of dirty words? Heck, the guy in the video was afraid to even say the name (see the eye roll at 00:18). Its seems counter intuitive to stop the posting of helpful, informative videos which support and answer some of the most common questions in paintball. Now you can say you're not threatened, but your actions prove otherwise.

Who is this (banning a site name) helping?
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:45 AM #56
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I say underbore is the way to go. Shots are more consistent and it is also more efficient. You absolutely have to use good paint though. If paint is bad or you are getting barrel breaks, use a little bigger bore size until right.
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:48 PM #57
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I havent been here long so I dont know the history (i.e. why you banned the site name, not the feud with the boogieman), but why would the name of another site (competitor of yours) be on the list of dirty words? Heck, the guy in the video was afraid to even say the name (see the eye roll at 00:18). Its seems counter intuitive to stop the posting of helpful, informative videos which support and answer some of the most common questions in paintball. Now you can say you're not threatened, but your actions prove otherwise.

Who is this (banning a site name) helping?
It's because Mike spammed PBN with gay porn (something he freely admits to doing, look up his youtube vids) to the point where PBN had to call his ISP to get him to stop.

The reason Cockerpunk got banned was for a different (and imo, quite stupid) reason. Unfortunately that has had the side effect of making people go "It's not on PBN therefore it's not true" when Cockerpunk's tests have been far better documented and controlled than anything I've seen posted on PBN.

Back to the topic on hand the fact that this question is so fiercely debated every single time it has come up for the past 15+ years is because there is very little difference between an underbore and an overbore. I play pump a lot so I underbore everything and never have an issue but like a few people have said in this thread the largest factor in accuracy is paint quality followed by consistency. The barrel makes very little difference when compared to the paint quality.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:42 PM #58
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It's because Mike spammed PBN with gay porn (something he freely admits to doing, look up his youtube vids) to the point where PBN had to call his ISP to get him to stop.

The reason Cockerpunk got banned was for a different (and imo, quite stupid) reason. Unfortunately that has had the side effect of making people go "It's not on PBN therefore it's not true" when Cockerpunk's tests have been far better documented and controlled than anything I've seen posted on PBN.
I understand why they were banned.. but why a competitors URL would be added to the list of dirty words is....... interesting.
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