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Old 09-20-2012, 08:49 PM #232
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Wow, I'm surprised this is considered "news"... Floating o-rings have been around for ever. If you look at Parker's O-ring handbook they discuss floating o-rings for reciprocating applications as being the best way to reduce drag and stiction. They even tell you how to tolerance the parts for the best results. The fact that they are just now implementing this doesn't give me much respect for their engineering and design team.
Seriously??? You wrote all that about the o-rings and just the o-rings? Totally ignored that it's a weighted bolt. That it comes with a new exhaust valve and valve pin.
And then you say you don't respect their design team? Sir we can't respect this post.
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:00 PM #233
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Seriously??? You wrote all that about the o-rings and just the o-rings? Totally ignored that it's a weighted bolt. That it comes with a new exhaust valve and valve pin.
And then you say you don't respect their design team? Sir we can't respect this post.
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Old 09-20-2012, 09:45 PM #234
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Seriously??? You wrote all that about the o-rings and just the o-rings? Totally ignored that it's a weighted bolt. That it comes with a new exhaust valve and valve pin.
And then you say you don't respect their design team? Sir we can't respect this post.
considering his point was about the orings, and only the orings, I think he made a good point. Floating orings have been around for awhile and hes saying if this is the first eclipse has looked into it then he doesnt much respect their design team. His opinion, not all that bad or off-base. You, who have no idea what hes talking about, just jump to defend pe. read negative post, breath and calm down, then respond using reason and logic...
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:07 PM #235
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considering his point was about the orings, and only the orings, I think he made a good point. Floating orings have been around for awhile and hes saying if this is the first eclipse has looked into it then he doesnt much respect their design team. His opinion, not all that bad or off-base. You, who have no idea what hes talking about, just jump to defend pe. read negative post, breath and calm down, then respond using reason and logic...
Actually, unless jkeyser had a huge typo, he is referring to this product/thread being news and trying to dicount it as borrowed technology. The product includes all the aforementioned items, not just floating o-rings. I also thought that this product was something I was going to pass on, until I noticed the weighted bolt, new exhaust valve, and pin.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:44 PM #236
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ill give you the point about the news remark, but imo he's clearly stating he feels eclipse isnt doing there job if they hadnt known about floating oring design in the past. I will defend eclipse and say im not sure if they have used breach sealing orings before, the original dart bolt was just a delrin bolt with venturi.
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Old 09-20-2012, 10:56 PM #237
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They used to use the DART brand back in 05
My first DART kit included a DART LPR, a DART ram with QEVs, and a Supercharger Valve. Circa 2002.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:03 PM #238
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ill give you the point about the news remark, but imo he's clearly stating he feels eclipse isnt doing there job if they hadnt known about floating oring design in the past. I will defend eclipse and say im not sure if they have used breach sealing orings before, the original dart bolt was just a delrin bolt with venturi.
the original 05 bolt had orings
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:01 AM #239
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In order to have a functioning floating o-ring design you first have to have a bore (or rod) that can be matched to a given o-ring with the correct sizing and tolerance.

Of course floating o-rings are nothing new and we use them in multiple locations on multiple products wherever possible, but as far as I am aware this is the first commercially available bolt with floating o-rings used in this way.

Our own previous bolts and other commercially available bolts that I have seen have all used o-rings that are not floating, but stretched to produce an external diameter that matches the bore that it slides in.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:12 AM #240
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In order to have a functioning floating o-ring design you first have to have a bore (or rod) that can be matched to a given o-ring with the correct sizing and tolerance.

Of course floating o-rings are nothing new and we use them in multiple locations on multiple products wherever possible, but as far as I am aware this is the first commercially available bolt with floating o-rings used in this way.

Our own previous bolts and other commercially available bolts that I have seen have all used o-rings that are not floating, but stretched to produce an external diameter that matches the bore that it slides in.
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I chose an EGO11 because of a number of reasons;
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My new EGO11 was delivered just now - and my DART kit should arrive very soon. Jack, Stoney, Nicky, Ledz and co - you have brilliant products and since you first came on the scene with the EGO 05 (put aside the E Blades for now), your markers changed paintball. Before the EGO 05 came along, it was cockers vs Timmys vs Impulses

Can't wait to experience 2013+ with you guys, as my EGO11 is going to be my marker for 2013.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:32 AM #241
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Alas, DART kit never came today... so this means it will arrive at work Monday - I am off on holiday Tuesday, so will be unable to do a comparison of brand new EGO11 before and after the DART kit is installed
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:37 PM #242
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Tried the Dart kit...was very impressed...

Shot my Ego 11 with the Dart kit in it for the first time today, and was pleasantly surprised...

Pre-dart install my chro speed was approximately 280 fps, post install, speed jumped to approximately 320 fps . Found it to be more consistent as well...

From a sound stand point there is a slight decrease in volume, but the sound signature is less of the "pop" sound you usually hear...
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:34 AM #243
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My co-worker and I threw this kit in an RPG ego.
Chrono'd the gun prior to throwing the kit in and it was shooting 280+/-5
Chrono'd after the kit was installed, shooting 295+/-5

I did notice a reduction in perceived kick when firing the gun

I told my coworker to not mess with ANY setting on the gun till after the gun is fully broken in
(he loves to tinker and break guns, then I have to set them back to factory so that he can do it again and get threats of 4lb club hammers & smashing his hands)

Just like Nicky T said every gun is different and just because someone else's settings worked for their gun might not mean that they work for yours.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:29 PM #244
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Apart from my 2nd hand Manchester Firm GEO 2.1 that I had (and only sold because the team (Not Firm!!) were changing sponsors, then after I sold it said they werent!) I have had no experience with Planet.

In the last year when I re-took up playing paintball, I have owned
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and now…
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I chose an EGO11 because of a number of reasons;
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My new EGO11 was delivered just now - and my DART kit should arrive very soon. Jack, Stoney, Nicky, Ledz and co - you have brilliant products and since you first came on the scene with the EGO 05 (put aside the E Blades for now), your markers changed paintball. Before the EGO 05 came along, it was cockers vs Timmys vs Impulses

Can't wait to experience 2013+ with you guys, as my EGO11 is going to be my marker for 2013.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:18 PM #245
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I received my D.A.R.T kit today. (It's worth buying, that's for sure)

Need to crono it down. Looking forward to practice tomorrow. Without touching anything and just installing the kit. I did notice a reduction in the sound sig, an increase in efficiency, and a small reduction in kick. But judging by previous posts I should be shooting about 330 so after I get it cronoed I may see even better results. Sunday I will be putting 2-3 cases threw it, but so far so good I like it. The brass insert matches the gold on my panther CSL nice 2.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:22 PM #246
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:36 PM #247
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^ There is the efficiency video I said I was going to do ^ Thanks twitch for the fast editing job
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:41 PM #248
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Thanks for posting this vid, I'll be placing my order for one.
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Thank you for th vid. Will definitely be picking one up!
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What was your noid setting...just curious..
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Yeah to be bother some. People will probably want to know what your noid settings are, lpr set screw, dwell because if your noid is at higher than stock you probably could get even more out of it. Im thinking optimal settings for efficiency and a full 4500 fill we could see an EGO hit G6r numbers easily
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Old 09-23-2012, 01:29 AM #252
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MY noid Setting is your typical 2-7. The LPR was 1.5 turns in from flush.. And all the board settings are stock settings
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