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Old 09-19-2012, 04:34 PM #1
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What makes an autococker special?

I'm curious why many autococker are built into pumps? Why they sell for so so much? and Why if they are so good did they go out of business?
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Old 09-19-2012, 08:01 PM #2
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A few of their ideas to stay relevent in the paintball world didn't turn out too well.

Plus there was that whole recession thing.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:15 AM #3
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They're just complicated and require a base knowledge of the whole inner workings of the marker in order to be able to play with them regularly.

People who're too lazy to learn how to maintain them either convert them to pumps, or condemn them for being overcomplicated pieces of ****.

If you're not dumb, they can be fast, efficient, accurate, consistent, quiet, and even light. They're also well built, with quality materials.

The lazy *** and the recession killed WGP. They sold themselves to K2/JT and it was a continual downhill after that. Things like the synergy, select fire frames, and untuned factory guns really hurt their reputation at the end.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:48 AM #4
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Pumps are for people who cant time a cocker. Why they sell for more is beyond me. You are taking all of the upgraded parts OFF for a pump handle and think it is suddenly a $500 gun? Sorry no. I wouldnt pay more then 75% of what it would cost as a mech/electro for a pump.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:36 AM #5
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alot of people pump there autocockers for the simple fact that they dont know how to time an autococker.

they sell for alot because the autococker still has a loyal following and people still want the quality and the enjoyment that people love about autocockers

they went out of business because they couldnt pay there bills anymore, in 2004 bud orr sold WGP to k2/jt and then started to produce alot of things non-autococker i.e. the synergy mg7 and trilogies(technically still an autococker) and also when the SR/worrlock came out they came out of the factory set wrong, that turned people away from autocockers and WGP all together.

in my opinion if Bud orr didnt sell WGP, Jeff could have kept wgp running producing the worrlocks and regular autocockers
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:07 AM #6
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not to mention they are kind of classic guns, they were everywhere for the longest while, cockers vs. mags. also tons of companies made them so theres tons of parts out there. that alone makes them fun to own as you can build it the way you like. like the guy above me said i dont understand why some of them sell for what they do, but some were limited runs of the top of the top from what companies had which are the ones that sell for so much. AKA merlins, eclipse guns, shocktech SFL's, rudy deans, etc, that can still fetch a pretty penny to collectors. most are really well made too, "high end" doesnt just mean circuit boards and high rates of fire.
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They sell for those high prices because people will pay that much for them. They're still MUCH cheaper than ccm's, which are similar to autocockers after all.
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The Select Fire frame (the normal one, not the Trilogy one) is alright. I would have liked it if they had more ROF adjustability, but the board itself is alright. No need to tune what works.

And the SR freaking rocks.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:09 AM #9
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At the time the BM was released there were plenty of frames and markers that allowed for tuning. We were being asked to have a simplified version for the people that wanted to play and not tweak there markers. Thats where this frame came into play.
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Old 09-21-2012, 02:12 AM #10
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And another reason people pump them is because of how EASY they are to convert. Honestly most Cockers are not expensive. You can get complete pre2k2s for 75 bucks or less in working condition. You can get get pump kits for next to nothing. And until someone can prove otherwise, you can't buy a pump with Cocker level quality for less than you can buy a Cocker for. One reason I tell people they are great markers for first time pumpers is because if you don't like it, toss the pneumatics back on and play semi. If you buy a Phantom and don't like it, too bad.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:47 AM #11
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The one thing that get's me is how many people bash on the Trilogy line of Autocockers. People *****ed and moaned about how labor intensive Autocockers were having to be timed and yada yada so they come up with a decently priced Autococker that doesn't have to be timed and then people started *****ing and moaning about them saying that they sucked because they couldn't/didn't have to be timed...
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:41 PM #12
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The one thing that get's me is how many people bash on the Trilogy line of Autocockers. People *****ed and moaned about how labor intensive Autocockers were having to be timed and yada yada so they come up with a decently priced Autococker that doesn't have to be timed and then people started *****ing and moaning about them saying that they sucked because they couldn't/didn't have to be timed...
Only people who love to tinker ***** about the trilly.

Oh, and the SR sucks.
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Oh, and the SR sucks.
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The SR sucks? That is just plain silly. Heh, I use mine at tournaments.

I'm even debating mini'ing one of my spare bodies and making it a mech.
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Yep. It was made by BrassEagle (JT), need I say more? No? Well I will anyway. Hidious frame with sub-par electronics. I dont care if Tadao made the boards, the screens are always broken. There is 0 after market support, the uniblocks are garbage, they are putrid looking, 'eye covers' that cover half the body. Of all of the litterally thousands of beautiful cockers why anyone would choose one made by BrassEagle/JT is beyond me.
People use Ions in tournys.. Doesnt mean they are GOOD. People still use Spyders too.. Etc.
Any autococker made by a company who sells their guns at walmart is garbage.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:23 AM #17
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Yep. It was made by BrassEagle (JT), need I say more? No? Well I will anyway. Hidious frame with sub-par electronics. I dont care if Tadao made the boards, the screens are always broken. There is 0 after market support, the uniblocks are garbage, they are putrid looking, 'eye covers' that cover half the body. Of all of the litterally thousands of beautiful cockers why anyone would choose one made by BrassEagle/JT is beyond me.
People use Ions in tournys.. Doesnt mean they are GOOD. People still use Spyders too.. Etc.
Any autococker made by a company who sells their guns at walmart is garbage.
There were a few good teams using spyders back in the day. Spyder could have really broke into the tournament scene awhile back if they wanted to but never did. Around 1998 I think it was i bought a brand new Spyder Shutter for $255.98 and I never even got to use it. Went on vacation to Virginia Beach and when I got home I found out my house had been broken into and the marker stolen.
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Spyder even had their own cup series. My point was, a spyder just isnt a high quality marker. My buddy dropped $300+ on a brand new VS2 when they came out. It was spyder reliable but just didnt have that quality feel like any of my autocockers. The ASA/On/Off would leak constantly because of a design flaw that made it shred the internal ORings.
I was speaking more towards the quality of the product.
Again, the SR was made by the same company as the Talon and those $80 starter kits found at sporting goods stores and walmart. A company known for producing junk is not going to suddenly produce a high quality marker and sell it for cheap. The math alone just doesnt add up.
Building everything into one hidious blob of a front end was a bad idea. Rams leak, LPRs spike, noids blow. It should require major surgery to fix or replace those parts.
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Wait... You think the SR was the only gun to use that screen?

Your opinions on apparence aside, Id like to address the other comments. The LPRs spiked or were set too high? I have yet to hear or experience the former.

The MP5 ram leaks were the same problem as the MP4 ram leaks, and I figured out how to fix both.

The solenoids are made by a reputable compant, SMC I believe. Guess who else uses their solenoids.

Im also going to ignore the Brass Eagle comments, because those are silly as well.
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And with exception to the board, as there is only one aftemarket board that fits, what else do you want for aftermarket product support?

Bolt? Done, though that company went out of business so you have to use the Empire Sniper bolt now.

HPR?

On/Off?

Name one modern day gun with an upgradable lpr.

This conversation, as long as we keep it civil, can be quite fun.
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Silly, but true. JT owned WGP when the SR was introduced. Guess what other company JT owned..?

You can think the SR is aggtastic, I think they are pieces of crap.

I dont think you read my post at all actually. I said, in a nut shell, if something happens, they are horrendous to fix. Everything is self contained in that blob on the front. The screen issue? Tadao made new screens for their eblade boards, why no love for the SR?

Ask yourself this, if the SR was/is so good, why do select-fire powered super stocks sell for more? Why did ANS have to basically sell them at cost to get rid of them? Why does no one make parts for them?

Id take my Karni over an SR all day every day.
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