Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

View Poll Results: Which bolt are you using with your Geo3
Soft Tip Bolt 47 51.09%
Full Metal Bolt 40 43.48%
Other (like modified or 3rd party) 5 5.43%
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-25-2012, 06:43 PM #1
edless
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
edless owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
edless owns a Planet Eclipse Lv1
Which Bolt are you using on your geo3 poll and discussion arount the 2 bolt

According to that interview: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3843821

Soft tip bolt = better on fragile paint, less efficient

Full metal bolt = more efficient, less good with fragile paint

Few things I would like to discuss:

1a.Why is it less efficient? weight of the bolt or air flow design or friction (due to soft tip touching other parts)
1b.If its weight, why not making a lighter bolt?
1c.If its air flow design, why not making the 2 bolts with the same airflow design?
1d.If its friction, then why making a 'bad' design? (if one is better then the other, there is a bad design)

2.Being better on fragile paint is not very hard to mesure, so I wonder how much better? Can PE share some stats regarding this?
ex: Out of 20 random box/brand/etc, soft bolt is breaking 5% less paint....

3.a Alignement of the cavity on the tip of the softbolt, do we care?
3.b If we do, I wonder if it would be possible to make an oval bolt so it stays always aligned...
(oval or any kinda of shape that would automatically aligned the cavity)

4. I believe I can dwell tune lower with the full metal bolt, do you guys are noticing that too? (both bolt with approx the same amount of shots count)

Last edited by edless : 07-25-2012 at 08:52 PM.
edless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 07-25-2012, 07:17 PM #2
kAmAkAzEe
muhahahahahahaha!
 
kAmAkAzEe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
kAmAkAzEe is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
kAmAkAzEe owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
kAmAkAzEe supports DLX Technology
Haven't received my ST2 yet, but the stock bolt has been doing fine with the few cases I've put through it.
kAmAkAzEe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2012, 11:34 PM #3
jgill07
 
 
jgill07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Los Angeles
jgill07 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
jgill07 has achieved Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
Quote:
Originally Posted by edless View Post
According to that interview: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3843821

Soft tip bolt = better on fragile paint, less efficient

Full metal bolt = more efficient, less good with fragile paint

Few things I would like to discuss:

1a.Why is it less efficient? weight of the bolt or air flow design or friction (due to soft tip touching other parts)
1b.If its weight, why not making a lighter bolt?
1c.If its air flow design, why not making the 2 bolts with the same airflow design?
1d.If its friction, then why making a 'bad' design? (if one is better then the other, there is a bad design)

2.Being better on fragile paint is not very hard to mesure, so I wonder how much better? Can PE share some stats regarding this?
ex: Out of 20 random box/brand/etc, soft bolt is breaking 5% less paint....

3.a Alignement of the cavity on the tip of the softbolt, do we care?
3.b If we do, I wonder if it would be possible to make an oval bolt so it stays always aligned...
(oval or any kinda of shape that would automatically aligned the cavity)

4. I believe I can dwell tune lower with the full metal bolt, do you guys are noticing that too? (both bolt with approx the same amount of shots count)
My quick thoughts are:
1a-d: just a necessary trade-off when PE wanted to really focus on having a bolt that is money for fragile paint - there are always necessary design trade-offs when you design a product to focus on one primary issue; you sacrifice in other areas slightly. Thats all. I dont think the efficiency differences are significant either. Thats also why PE is giving us 2 bolts: to cover both of those issues depending on which is more important to each person (efficiency or softness on brittle paint)

3.a-b: good question man. I dont know the answer, and I havent even thought about it until now, but Id like to know as well.
4. I have only shot the rubber tip, so I havent compared. I prolly wont ever either, bc the ST-2 is awesome.
__________________
__________________
prestine bluered GEO3 Superman for sale!->http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=4026754
SoCal Stealth
Thx to the generous support of CC Paintball, the RPL, Camp Pendleton Paintball Park
https://www.facebook.com/SoCalStealth
jgill07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2012, 09:49 AM #4
sh4d0vv
 
 
sh4d0vv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wayne, NJ
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
I will be using my soft tip bolt when playing tournaments and dealing with very brittle paint. But, or rec ball I will use my full metal bolt.

I have heard very few people complain about breaking paint when using the older style bolt in the geo 2 so I doubt we will need to use the soft tip bolt to prevent breaks in 99% of situations.
__________________
Haze Geo 3 with Deadly Winds Whip tip
1 of 12 Paintballers Inc Tribal Ego 9 - White/Red
LE White Prophecy Z2 with Crown V2
E-Flexes White
sh4d0vv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2012, 05:58 PM #5
edless
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
edless owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
edless owns a Planet Eclipse Lv1
Quote:
Originally Posted by sh4d0vv View Post
I will be using my soft tip bolt when playing tournaments and dealing with very brittle paint. But, or rec ball I will use my full metal bolt.

I have heard very few people complain about breaking paint when using the older style bolt in the geo 2 so I doubt we will need to use the soft tip bolt to prevent breaks in 99% of situations.
I think there are some advantage to dwell tuning this gun sound and feeling wise

imho, much more advantage than dwelling tuning a geo2 which i always left stock.

The combination of SFR and DWELL is very interesting to play with

Using 2 bolt will make your life miserable since you will have to dwell tune everytime you change the bolt.
edless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 10:35 AM #6
sh4d0vv
 
 
sh4d0vv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wayne, NJ
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
Played with mine for the first time last weekend with the all metal bolt with Rec grade paint and had no breaks. Love this gun!!!! So quiet!!!
__________________
Haze Geo 3 with Deadly Winds Whip tip
1 of 12 Paintballers Inc Tribal Ego 9 - White/Red
LE White Prophecy Z2 with Crown V2
E-Flexes White
sh4d0vv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 10:07 AM #7
xwiredx
 
 
xwiredx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
 has been a member for 10 years
xwiredx owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
xwiredx supports DLX Technology
Has there been any official word from PE whether or not the soft tip is actually less efficient than the regular bolt or is this just speculation?
__________________
Luxe Mob
xwiredx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 10:38 AM #8
frenchy2475
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Gloucestershire, UK
frenchy2475 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
frenchy2475 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
frenchy2475 owns a Planet Eclipse Ego
Jack Wood, stated on a video interview that they were getting slightly better efficency with the all metal bolt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znfzB...ure=plpp_video

Last edited by frenchy2475 : 08-06-2012 at 10:41 AM.
frenchy2475 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 02:30 PM #9
hscpaintballa
 
 
hscpaintballa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Richmond, VA
hscpaintballa plays in the PSP
hscpaintballa is playing at Living Legends VI
hscpaintballa owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
hscpaintballa supports Team VICIOUS
hscpaintballa plays in the APPA D3 division
hscpaintballa supports DLX Technology
Quote:
Originally Posted by sh4d0vv View Post
I will be using my soft tip bolt when playing tournaments and dealing with very brittle paint. But, or rec ball I will use my full metal bolt.

I have heard very few people complain about breaking paint when using the older style bolt in the geo 2 so I doubt we will need to use the soft tip bolt to prevent breaks in 99% of situations.
I practiced for the last two weeks with the soft faced bolt just to help break in the orings for MAO. On a normal basis I'll use the all metal bolt, but for ultra evil at PSP I will definitely feel safer shooting the soft faced bolt
__________________
Richmond Rage

KPS PAINTBALL
hscpaintballa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 07:27 PM #10
sh4d0vv
 
 
sh4d0vv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wayne, NJ
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
Quote:
Originally Posted by hscpaintballa

I practiced for the last two weeks with the soft faced bolt just to help break in the orings for MAO. On a normal basis I'll use the all metal bolt, but for ultra evil at PSP I will definitely feel safer shooting the soft faced bolt
How will the soft tip bold help break in the orings more than the all metal bolt?
__________________
Haze Geo 3 with Deadly Winds Whip tip
1 of 12 Paintballers Inc Tribal Ego 9 - White/Red
LE White Prophecy Z2 with Crown V2
E-Flexes White
sh4d0vv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 07:28 PM #11
hscpaintballa
 
 
hscpaintballa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Richmond, VA
hscpaintballa plays in the PSP
hscpaintballa is playing at Living Legends VI
hscpaintballa owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
hscpaintballa supports Team VICIOUS
hscpaintballa plays in the APPA D3 division
hscpaintballa supports DLX Technology
The orings on the bolt itself
__________________
Richmond Rage

KPS PAINTBALL
hscpaintballa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 07:43 PM #12
sh4d0vv
 
 
sh4d0vv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wayne, NJ
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
sh4d0vv owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
Gotcha
__________________
Haze Geo 3 with Deadly Winds Whip tip
1 of 12 Paintballers Inc Tribal Ego 9 - White/Red
LE White Prophecy Z2 with Crown V2
E-Flexes White
sh4d0vv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 07:48 PM #13
7paintball
Service at its best.
 
7paintball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lockport, IL
7paintball is playing at Living Legends III
7paintball supports Sherwood Forest
Both seem to work great for me.
__________________
7pbA.com
ALL THINGS PAINTBALL & AIRSOFT
1143 E 9th St.
Lockport, IL 60441
(815) 588-1777


We always offer discounts to the Military, Police and Fire Departments.
7paintball is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2012, 11:45 AM #14
WldWzl
Limp Gawd
 
WldWzl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: MN
Annual Supporting Member
WldWzl donated to help Peyton Trent
WldWzl supports our troops
Soft Tip Bolt, just in case I end up shooting some crap paint. Efficiency difference doesn't sound large enough not to just leave it in.
WldWzl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump