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Old 08-16-2012, 09:38 PM #22
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Why are agencies like social security and the weather service buying ammo?
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:44 PM #23
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:20 PM #24
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As of right now, there is been 1.4 billion rounds of ammo, in one year. Hell the year is not even over yet so....

Also note other places are discussing this as well,

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...unition-2012-8


The feds also wiped out a lot of long term food storage a couple years back...

We’re told that the feds bought the entire container of canned butter when it hit the California docks. (Something’s up!),” said officials at Best Prices Storable Foods in an advisory to customers.
http://www.wnd.com/2008/07/70281/
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Old 08-16-2012, 10:37 PM #25
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I sent an email to the businessinsider writer indirectly informing him that he is a moron. A master's in journalism and he cites infowars. Also, he failed to realize the FBO site stated .357 Sig...not .357 Magnum and that hollowpoints are designed to stop over-penetration ie not kill innocents.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:46 PM #26
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If everyone who was a fan of Drudge Report and Infowars was put in gas chambers and killed, the world would be a better place.
Rofl, those two sites are not exactly the same, but ok. Drudge a fair bit less speculation and based on substance. Matt Drudge doesn't hide he's a Conservative, but he's not nearly as "guessing" as Alex Jones. Plus Jones is a Libertarian. You should remove Drudge Report and add MSNBC to that list.

OP never linked to the story he was talking about specifically.
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Old 08-17-2012, 01:25 AM #27
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If there was room in the chamber to get the MSNBC maddow and mathews fans it'd be nice too.
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Old 08-17-2012, 08:33 AM #28
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As of right now, there is been 1.4 billion rounds of ammo, in one year. Hell the year is not even over yet so....

Also note other places are discussing this as well,

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-d...unition-2012-8


The feds also wiped out a lot of long term food storage a couple years back...

We’re told that the feds bought the entire container of canned butter when it hit the California docks. (Something’s up!),” said officials at Best Prices Storable Foods in an advisory to customers.
http://www.wnd.com/2008/07/70281/
What happens when you put 1.4 billion rounds of ammo on a folding chair?

9/11.
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:28 AM #29
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Question of the day:

Why are hollow point rounds deemed not "ok" for war, but "ok" for law enforcement?
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What happens when you put 1.4 billion rounds of ammo on a folding chair?

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Old 08-17-2012, 09:37 AM #31
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Why are hollow point rounds deemed not "ok" for war, but "ok" for law enforcement?
1899, that's why. Also the regulations are to wound but not maim. Meaning you're trying to incapacitate the enemy combatant and not kill them, which is why guns like the .50BMG aren't to be used on soft targets. Aren't you a veteran? You should know your Geneva Conventions stuff.
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:39 AM #32
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It is the Hague convention, not the Geneva, that stipulated non-expanding projectiles.

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"Declaration on the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body; July 29, 1899"
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:56 AM #33
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We answer the first half... but not the second.
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HPs are used in LE because of the environment where they work. There are likely to be innocent people in the area and over penetration is a concern. Hollowpoint mitigate this. They also improve the effectiveness of the pistol, which is a officer's only means of protection most of the time.
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I insist we make room for Keith Olbermann too.

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I'm new to this whole ammo stockpile issue. I never saw the Op list a specific story that this is all about. So we're stockpiling pistol ammo only, is that all?
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Various government agencies have been submitting requests for bids on ammo contracts lately. Idiots think they are stockpiling ammo in preparation for some kind of mass murder/civil unrest being panned by the people who are "really in charge" of things.
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HPs are used in LE because of the environment where they work. There are likely to be innocent people in the area and over penetration is a concern. Hollowpoint mitigate this. They also improve the effectiveness of the pistol, which is a officer's only means of protection most of the time.
But it is deemed inhumane for warfare?
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But it is deemed inhumane for warfare?
Yes, over-penetration wasn't a problem when the rules for warfare were written, it's actually encouraged.
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But it is deemed inhumane for warfare?
Yes, 100 years ago. I don't think it makes any sense to continue abiding by it, but it is what it is. Though, we have recently been utilising OTM projectiles like in Mk232 and Mk318, and the FMJ we use currently is intended to fragment.

There is also the need for versatility. The lack of expansion may be deemed acceptable tin order to have a projectile that offers better penetration, which is of concern for handguns in modern combat where body armor is so prevalent.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:31 AM #40
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1899, that's why. Also the regulations are to wound but not maim. Meaning you're trying to incapacitate the enemy combatant and not kill them, which is why guns like the .50BMG aren't to be used on soft targets. Aren't you a veteran? You should know your Geneva Conventions stuff.
We have never used the M2 or Barret M82A1 on any human targets in the past 25 years. You are correct.
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There's times when agencies you wouldn't believe could use a firearm or two on their hip. My parents worked for the USDA in Rural Development. Without getting into specifics too much, body armor was once involved for one of them.
Not surprised at all, I live in farm country and if I was USDA I would want to be armed going to tell a farmer what to do.


OP- All federal agencies have in-house police agents (federal agents actually), just like they have in-house judges and accountants. It's to cut down on interagency crap so they can function more independently from one another, thus making things more efficient.
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We have never used the M2 or Barret M82A1 on any human targets in the past 25 years. You are correct.
Technically it is not permitted, you are not supposed to deploy such weapons specifically for anti-personnel purposes, though this rule is never enforced.
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