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Old 08-05-2012, 04:53 PM #1
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Strange Pneumatic Pump Idea...

Hypothetically speaking, if one were to modify an Ion to use a spyder rt frame, itself modified to use a pair of 2-way valves instead of microswitches, could it be classified as a pump? The idea is to use the upper half of the trigger to cock the gun by filling the pilot chamber, then use the bottom half to vent the chamber and fire the gun. Is there any reason this would not be considered a pump?

Thoughts? I have almost no time to work on these ideas(still haven't gotten anywhere with the select-fire system, but haven't forgotten), but I have plenty of ideas come to me while I'm at work.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:27 PM #2
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I think it would classified as a pneumatic assist pump. since there is mechanical input required to reset the mechanism but it is reset indirectly. I believe a "pump" needs to require mechanical input to DIRECTLY reset the mechanism. Not sure on that though
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:29 PM #3
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I really like that idea, but then again, someone could call their cocker a pump because the 2nd half of the trigger pull recocks the gun. That's pretty awesome though.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:42 PM #4
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So basically a mech ion?
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:00 PM #5
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Not exactly. This design would require two pulls of the trigger to fire a single shot. The first cocks the weapon, the second fires it. It would be mechanical, but it would put an interesting rof handicap on the user that normal mech ions don't have. Plus, at first glance, nobody would suspect that it's a "pump" action marker, pneumatic assist or otherwise. It's just something unique I want to build eventually.

Simply put, it's a sleeper pump.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:50 AM #6
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If you were to have the same trigger actuate the two switches in sequence it could be a cool double-action gun.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:30 PM #7
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If you were to have the same trigger actuate the two switches in sequence it could be a cool double-action gun.
Also known as an autococker. The idea was to make a pump that required two separate actions to cock and fire the marker without looking like a pump at all while also allowing you to walk the trigger just like your favorite electro. Granted, it will only have half the rof, but that should still be faster than the average pump.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:02 PM #8
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I've always wondered why people didn't refer to the 'cocker as double-action, or at least "double-action only".
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:36 PM #9
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It's the only double action-like marker I've ever heard of, though it might not be the only one in existence. Most people just don't think that way unless they are a firearms enthusiast(guilty).
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:48 PM #10
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Well, offhand there's the Crossman 3357, The GZ-2000, the Sheridan Jackal, and Brass Eagle Barracuda/Jaguar/Mini II.
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Well, offhand there's the Crossman 3357, The GZ-2000, the Sheridan Jackal, and Brass Eagle Barracuda/Jaguar/Mini II.
All of these are old school, so it's no surprise that I don't know them. The Automag and Autocockers are about the only old school guns I'm familiar with.

However, back on topic, do you guys think the build would get enough interesting reactions to be worthwhile?
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:22 PM #12
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Probably not, but this is the kind of custom work that you would need to find satisfying in order to be worthwhile.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:51 PM #13
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I've yet to find any custom work that isn't satisfying lol
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:45 PM #14
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would it be cool.... hell yes!

would it be a pump.... no

would i allow it at a pump/pistol day? probably
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