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Old 08-07-2012, 12:08 PM #43
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So only stations you deem as having a "left-wing" bias are mainstream media?
Lol, it's not stations "I deem" as having a left-wing bias, because anybody who cares to watch to watch them for more then 10 minutes will tell you that there clearly is a liberal bias. They constantly attack Romney and prop up Obama. Fox is just about the only station that doesn't do these things, hence why I don't consider it mainstream.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:09 PM #44
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Lol, it's not stations "I deem" as having a left-wing bias, because anybody who cares to watch to watch them for more then 10 minutes will tell you that there clearly is a liberal bias. They constantly attack Romney and prop up Obama. Fox is just about the only station that doesn't do these things, hence why I don't consider it mainstream.
Yet if you tune into Fox, O'Rielly, Beck or Rush they incessantly denounce Obama and say how Romney is better. They're two sides of the same coin.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:14 PM #45
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they have among the most viewers and ratings but they often present a more unbiased view of both candidates in general
Holy ****... You truly believe that Rush, O'Rielly, and Beck are unbiased? That's just funny. I am not denying that the left media is biased, but denying that the right is as biased if not more is a ****ing joke.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:14 PM #46
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Yet if you tune into Fox, O'Rielly, Beck or Rush they incessantly denounce Obama and say how Romney is better. They're two sides of the same coin.
O'reilly tends to be more on the moderate side as well as somewhat more fact based. Beck and Rush, not so much. I know that O'reilly has defended Obama numerous times and even agreed with him on certain issues, gay marriage being one of them. It all depends on who you're watching.

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Holy ****... You truly believe that Rush, O'Rielly, and Beck are unbiased? That's just funny. I am not denying that the left media is biased, but denying that the right is as biased if not more is a ****ing joke.
I clearly said I'm not speaking for any individual analysts. Some are more biased than others and that's obvious. I never even said Fox as a whole was UNbiased. They take on a less biased stance than the other outlets in general. Come on.

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Old 08-07-2012, 12:15 PM #47
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Fox News has more prime time viewership than CNN and MSNBC combined. Totally not mainstream...
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:16 PM #48
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O'reilly tends to be more on the moderate side as well as somewhat more fact based. Beck and Rush, not so much. I know that O'reilly has defended Obama numerous times and even agreed with him on certain issues, gay marriage being one of them. It all depends on who you're watching.
Exactly, they're all mainstream.

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Old 08-07-2012, 12:26 PM #49
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Fox News has more prime time viewership than CNN and MSNBC combined. Totally not mainstream...
That depends what you define mainstream as exactly. Should we base it on viewership numbers alone or the views themselves?
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Exactly, they're all mainstream.
In this case, the dominant trend would be liberal media, seeing as every news organization voices liberal opinions while Fox is the only conservative program that I'm aware of. Having these organizations greatly outweigh Fox is a bias on its own.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:28 PM #50
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That depends what you define mainstream as exactly. Should we base it on viewership numbers alone or the views themselves.


In this case, the "dominant" would be liberal media, seeing as every news organization voices liberal opinions while Fox is the only conservative program that I'm aware of.
Fox is mainstream and I've just listed 3 other mainstream conservative programs.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:50 PM #51
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Fox is mainstream and I've just listed 3 other mainstream conservative programs.
Fox is not mainstream and neither are the hosts that you listed. The other networks that completely outnumber them in sheer amount of liberal stations. Being a mainstream media outlet implies that they have a daily left wing agenda which fox does not have, even if more people watch it. MSM is just a blanket term for everybody else that doesn't lean center-right. In this case it's every single media outlet in this country except for fox.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:53 PM #52
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Fox is not mainstream and neither are the hosts that you listed. The other networks that completely outnumber them in sheer amount of liberal stations. Being a mainstream media outlet implies that they have a daily left wing agenda which fox does not have, even if more people watch it. MSM is just a blanket term for everybody else that doesn't lean center-right. In this case it's every single media outlet in this country except for fox.
So you're misusing the term mainstream.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:30 PM #53
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So you're misusing the term mainstream.
No, our interpretations of mainstream are just different then. Even "fringe" media will have a left bias, so you might as well just call every news station mainstream.

Fox may be mainstream from viewer popularity, but the views they express are not.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:32 PM #54
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No, our interpretations of mainstream are just different then. Even "fringe" media will have a left bias, so you might as well just call every news station mainstream.

Fox may be mainstream from viewer popularity, but the views they express are not.
You said it yourself, Fox is to the right. They represent the ideologies of the right and are thus, mainstream. Two sides of the same coin.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:51 PM #55
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You said it yourself, Fox is to the right. They represent the ideologies of the right and are thus, mainstream. Two sides of the same coin.
But is it really the same coin when the left wing has 10+ news media outlets and the right only has one? =/
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:53 PM #56
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But is it really the same coin when the left wing has 10+ news media outlets and the right only has one? =/
I already listed a few conservative media outlets and it doesn't matter the quantity of stations if the viewership is comparable. I'm just curious as to why you throw out mainstream media as if it's something cringe-worthy when it describes both parties.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:14 PM #57
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I already listed a few conservative media outlets and it doesn't matter the quantity of stations if the viewership is comparable. I'm just curious as to why you throw out mainstream media as if it's something cringe-worthy when it describes both parties.
CNN and MSNBC are nowhere close to conservative media outlets.

Fabricating and broadcasting biased reports is the mainstream norm in our society. That's what these media outlets did to Romney's trip. When you have 10 stations talking about how it was a failure, it's easy for someone to get misguided.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:51 PM #58
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When you have 10 stations talking about how it was a failure, it's easy for someone to get misguided.
Let's move away from the media for a second. Are you denying that Mitt Romney (and his press secretary) made several gaffes during his trip? I am not asking you whether it was a failure or not. Simply, did Mitt Romney make a couple big mistakes during his trip?
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:51 PM #59
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CNN and MSNBC are nowhere close to conservative media outlets.

Fabricating and broadcasting biased reports is the mainstream norm in our society. That's what these media outlets did to Romney's trip. When you have 10 stations talking about how it was a failure, it's easy for someone to get misguided.
I'm talking about Rush, O'Rielly and Beck.

Is it misguiding when Fox publishes articles about Obama in a negative light?

You seem to think Fox is perfect but the other "mainstream" outlets are out to get Romney.
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msnbc is the left's fox news. cnn is more neutral but alteast these two programs back up their claims much more often than fox. fox just throw around the word "socialism" every show and instill fear into it's viewers. it's a propoganda network. msnbc doesn't push fear, it mostly laughes at the extreme right and call out their BS. but yes, that channel is "liberal media"

i do have to admit o'reily has calmed down a bit but still doesn't change my view on him due to his past.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:19 PM #61
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and yes, i watch all these networks. i notice there are more facts put out on the claims of msnbc while fox shows like hannity have a guy scream over someone telling them their wrong the whole program and not let them finish. fox's morning news is just full of dip****s
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:25 PM #62
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CNN and MSNBC are nowhere close to conservative media outlets.

Fabricating and broadcasting biased reports is the mainstream norm in our society. That's what these media outlets did to Romney's trip. When you have 10 stations talking about how it was a failure, it's easy for someone to get misguided.
I heard he said Isreal is successful because they have a strong culture. Apparently this made people very angry. Is this the gaff which you speak of?
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:34 PM #63
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I heard he said Isreal is successful because they have a strong culture. Apparently this made people very angry. Is this the gaff which you speak of?
I'm assuming you meant to quote me. The gaff in Israel is based around the statements made by Mitt Romney implying that the economic differences between Israel and Palestine is rooted in Israel's superior culture while ignoring things like, let's say, the occupation...

It lead to statements like this:

"It is a racist statement and this man doesn't realise that the Palestinian economy cannot reach its potential because there is an Israeli occupation," said Saeb Erekat, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. "It seems to me this man lacks information, knowledge, vision, and understanding of this region and its people."

Now if we are going to look at Mitt Romney as a politician and we are evaluating his international relations skills, the point isn't really if he meant what he said or even if what he said was right or wrong. The evidence of international relations is the reactions and relations with other nations. Pissing off Palestine for no reason doesn't seem to be good international relations to me...
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