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Old 07-18-2012, 02:38 PM #22
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Who gets the contract?
The private entity that pays the most.

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Government can auction it off to get things started.

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Who ensure the parks are clean?
The entity that buys the park.

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Old 07-18-2012, 02:41 PM #23
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All entities are profit seeking, some are just better at masking it.
The kicker is, the government doesn't have to be. A business is by nature. Businessed do not gauge success through mere sustainability IE break even and call.it good. They seek growth in profits, which includes innovation AND growth/expansion.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:43 PM #24
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the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

Why does the government run public parks? A private company could do it so much more efficiently on way less money...

But... we can't do that can we... liberals.
That is not the definition of insanity, just a quote from Einstein. Now. You can read my response to swerve since it is somewhat relevant and he can keep focus.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:56 PM #25
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The private entity that pays the most.


Government can auction it off to get things started.


The entity that buys the park.

That was easy.
And if the company takes the money and runs without ever honoring the contract, what then?
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:06 PM #26
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And if the company takes the money and runs without ever honoring the contract, what then?
Then they would be a liberal company with no morals...

Like these winners Obama picked for us.

http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of...lar-companies/
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:10 PM #27
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What the **** is a liberal company? Do you mean a company that sells liberal philosophy in the form of some product or service in exchange for a profit?
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:20 PM #29
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I'm not quite burnt out by him yet like I am with shakey.

Swerve I still want answers to the questions on page numero undo.
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:43 PM #30
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And if the company takes the money and runs without ever honoring the contract, what then?
Contracts are enforcable by law in the USA.

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The kicker is, the government doesn't have to be. A business is by nature. Businessed do not gauge success through mere sustainability IE break even and call.it good. They seek growth in profits, which includes innovation AND growth/expansion.
But the government entities are only made up of people who want to make profit (or something similar - power, help a friend, etc.). This falls in line with one question you had earlier in the thead about the size of government leading to corruption - it doesn't necessarily guarantee corruption, but in increases the leeway available within which corruption can occur, and corruption is likely to eventually take place.

Example - money passes from person a to person b, there is a small chance for somebody to siphon off the top, practice cronyism, pay off a buddy, etc. However money passes from person a to person b to person c, d, e, f, and g before finally arriving at it's destination there is much more opportunity for corrution.

I'll check your other questions when I get back from work.
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I'm not quite burnt out by him yet like I am with shakey.

Swerve I still want answers to the questions on page numero undo.
Tell us what you really think zach.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:06 PM #32
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Tell us what you really think zach.
I'm not Zach. It should be pretty clear because my posts don't speak much of economics. Oh wait, you have Zach confused for Furious George.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:09 PM #33
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The private entity that pays the most.


Government can auction it off to get things started.


The entity that buys the park.

That was easy.
The company that pays its employees the most or are you saying companies should buy the parks to operate? If a company oversees itself with no outside oversight, who's going to ensure the parks are kept up and safe? The company who stands to lose money if they enforce the rules?
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:13 AM #34
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The company that pays its employees the most or are you saying companies should buy the parks to operate?
The companies buying the parks, sorry for the confusion.

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If a company oversees itself with no outside oversight, who's going to ensure the parks are kept up and safe? The company who stands to lose money if they enforce the rules?
The firm the buys the park will do all this because they don't want to get a bad reputation. Oversight is effectively handled by the consumer themselves. Providing a rewarding, safe, and clean experience will bring more visitors and help the firm so they would have a natural incentive to do so.

To be clear, I'm not specifically advocating this as I don't really have a problem with the way Parks and Recreation are managed now, I'm just pointing out that I don't think it would be impossible to see similar or possibly even better results doing things differently.
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:25 AM #35
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How much is enough and how much is too much?
The boundries are set within the constitution. It's a broad subject, too broad for me to really get excited about attempting to discuss it here suffice to say that I feel we currently allow the federal government a lot more power than was originally intended by the founders. However I'm not one of the anarcho capitalist guys that wan't to weaken the Federal government back to the Articles of Confederation days as well.

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How do you maintain this level once you have achieved it? Clearly the constitution has failed to be able to regulate or maintain the size and scope of government as you see it.
Knowledge of the citizenry is the only way other than totalitarian rule. Unfortunately we've failed miserably in that area. Still, in my opinion trying to do what you can with an uneducated and disinterested citizenry still beats out the alternative by a healthy margin.

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Also, how does a smaller and less powerful government insure less corruption cronyism, etc?
Talked about this in my other post. The more agencies and bureaucracies and individuals involved (and more money and power) the more difficult it is to have transparency, effective oversight, and to guard against cronyism which naturally occurs as the opportunities arise as humans are naturally fallible and will remain so regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:09 AM #36
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The companies buying the parks, sorry for the confusion.



The firm the buys the park will do all this because they don't want to get a bad reputation. Oversight is effectively handled by the consumer themselves. Providing a rewarding, safe, and clean experience will bring more visitors and help the firm so they would have a natural incentive to do so.

To be clear, I'm not specifically advocating this as I don't really have a problem with the way Parks and Recreation are managed now, I'm just pointing out that I don't think it would be impossible to see similar or possibly even better results doing things differently.
Why would the company buy the park and operate it for free? Or are you saying public parks should be pay to play?
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Why would the company buy the park and operate it for free? Or are you saying public parks should be pay to play?
Public EVERYTHING is pay to play, just because the "pay" comes out of your check and you don't realize it, doesn't mean it is "free"...

You need to realize, the largest chunk coming out of our economy is the money we pay to our government to have parks, road, schools, healthcare, post office, ect. They take massive amounts of money out of business/people and they waste it...

WE PAY FOR THAT, even though you don't pay when you cross into the park (well, you do around here... As you have to pay to enter many of our parks).

The tax dollars, pay the salaries and upkeep of those parks, and they are usually UNION jobs, with cadillac health care plans, and unreal retirement benefits, because of the corruption.
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Why would the company buy the park and operate it for free? Or are you saying public parks should be pay to play?
If it was privatized and for profit those that go to the park would pay at the time they use it - right now everybody pays regardless of whether or not they use it so that a few people can go there for "free". I don't get why people think that things the government provides are "free", just because they don't directly see where the money is coming from.
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The boundries are set within the constitution. It's a broad subject, too broad for me to really get excited about attempting to discuss it here suffice to say that I feel we currently allow the federal government a lot more power than was originally intended by the founders. However I'm not one of the anarcho capitalist guys that wan't to weaken the Federal government back to the Articles of Confederation days as well.
I know its fairly broad but my understanding of the constitution is that it is fairly flexible. Allowing for adaption within the framework it establishes. Now by my recollection, even the beloved founding fathers were torn between federalism and anti federalism. I dont think there is any true answer here if we are to look at them for guidance.

Besides the supreme courts job is to check the constitutionality of any policy is it not?

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Knowledge of the citizenry is the only way other than totalitarian rule. Unfortunately we've failed miserably in that area. Still, in my opinion trying to do what you can with an uneducated and disinterested citizenry still beats out the alternative by a healthy margin.
You seem to be drawing a dichotomy here that I can't make sense out of. Please clarify.


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Talked about this in my other post. The more agencies and bureaucracies and individuals involved (and more money and power) the more difficult it is to have transparency, effective oversight, and to guard against cronyism which naturally occurs as the opportunities arise as humans are naturally fallible and will remain so regardless of whether they work in the private or public sector.
Not much to disagree with here. I could take the opportunity to indulge in my political positions but I won't. Anyway, I don't know that every man necessarily falls trap to cronyism and certainly the form of government is completely irrelevant to that.

Even one of the most vilified of monarchs Louis whatever did many things including aiding the American revolution to improve his nation. Such as things progressed the commoners didn't see it that way and cut his head off. Ironically that gave them Napoleon who was actually harmful and an insane piece of garbage. /Related tangent.
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I know its fairly broad but my understanding of the constitution is that it is fairly flexible. Allowing for adaption within the framework it establishes. Now by my recollection, even the beloved founding fathers were torn between federalism and anti federalism. I dont think there is any true answer here if we are to look at them for guidance.
They all had different opinions, much like today.

Ben Franklin wanted to have three presidents. Imagine if that wisdom prevailed, how different the country might be? It's "flexible" in the sense that as time goes on, things need to be viewed in a different light. The Founders had no way to know that nuclear weapons or biological weapons capable of wiping out an entire city in 15 seconds would be developed. Had they known that, their views on things like torture, hostages, war, etc, would be in the Constitution. Thus, we are left to read their writings and make a solid educated guess how they might of acted, were they alive today. For example, I think the Founders who were encouraging of immigration here, would have a distinctly different view on the mindless chaos that is the Mexican border. That is a far far cry from what Ellis Island was.

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Besides the supreme courts job is to check the constitutionality of any policy is it not?
It is. Sadly, that "job" has become "check what the party tends to support and vote that way" as the justices have, for the past few decades at least, voted with the party they most identify with. I wish more justices could be like Anthony Kennedy as far as not being so ****ing partisan. Kagan shouldn't even be a justice. Roberts for that matter probably doesn't either, if public opinion is what he bases his decisions on.
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