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Old 06-23-2012, 02:50 PM #1
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Hijab

The imposition of the veil to the rule of God and the secrets of great, and commendable virtues, and the goals and the interests of large, including:

First: Remember Width: Veil guard to save the legitimacy of the symptoms, and the payment of the reasons for suspicion and strife and corruption.

Second: purity of heart: a farewell to the purity of the veil hearts of the believers, men and women, and architecture piety, and to maximize privacy. And sincerity of God - the Almighty - {that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts}.

Third, good manners: the veil is to provide an advocate morals of chastity and modesty and shyness, jealousy, and the blocking of of pollution and depravity

Fourth, a sign of the chaste: the veil on the sign of the legitimacy of Silks chaste in their chastity and honor, and the distance from the impurity of suspicion and doubt: { (59) O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful }, and the apparent evidence of Salah Salah al-Batin,


Fifth: cutting ambitions and Discussion diabolical: the veil and prevention of social harm, diseases of the hearts of men and women, cut off further ambitions promiscuous, and keeps eyes treacherous, and pay the harm a man in his presentation, and harm women in the view, and male relative, and prevention of throwing chaste , and desecrated the suspicion and doubt, and other passing thoughts diabolical.

Sixth: Remember modesty: it is taken from life, there is no life without him, which create deposited God in the soul that he wanted - Almighty - honored, also cause the virtues, and pay in the faces of vices, one of the human characteristics, and qualities of instinct, and the creation of Islam, and modesty is a branch of people of faith, one of the qualities of Mahmoud endorsed by the Arabs and Islam and called for by the veil only effective way to save the modesty, and take off take off the veil of modesty.

Seventh: The veil prevents the wanton display and unveiling the influence of mixing and communities to the people of Islam.

Eighth: the veil immunity against adultery, pornography, so that the women of each vessel and clear.

IX: Women roughness, and the veil cover her, and that of piety, God said: (26) O children of Adam, We have bestowed upon you clothing to conceal your private parts and as adornment. But the clothing of righteousness - that is best. That is from the signs of Allah that perhaps they will remember. . Al-Araf (The Heights) } (custom / 26).

Ten: Remember jealousy

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Old 06-25-2012, 04:25 PM #2
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Hijab is an obligation and a necessity for every Muslim woman
In order to protect them from any harm or assault
Veiled women that encourages you to respect them
Women dressed in scandalous
Extremists
Encourages you to abuse her
Regardless of the laws
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Old 06-25-2012, 04:59 PM #3
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Video is hilarious. It says the hijab is to prevent rape, yet rape happens all the time in Islamic countries.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:44 AM #4
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Unfortunately

In America
Cases of rape
Of a woman or girl
Every
6 minutes


USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, everyday on an average 1756 rapes were committed in USA alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.


In Islamic countries
Delinquent
Known in the inside that veiled Muslim women beautiful more than a woman dressed in scandalous

And wishes to see any part of her
Candy-covered
Take hearts
More than a Stripper

Rate of rape in Muslim countries, very few

Rate of rape in western countries is very high
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:45 AM #5
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You're confusing reported rapes with actual rapes. Women who are more empowered report rapes more often, imagine that.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:54 AM #6
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So we don't actually have a lot of rapes, we just have a lot of girls who are lying about being raped?
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:57 AM #7
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So we don't actually have a lot of rapes, we just have a lot of girls who are lying about being raped?
You're going to have a proportionate amount of rapes, just a lot fewer reported with that whole Sharia Law thing going on.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:16 PM #8
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And we have no rapes in the United States that go unreported? What is your premise for saying Shariah Law hinders females from reporting rapes? I'm not saying you're wrong, but a statement like that actually needs some basis which you have yet to form.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:23 PM #9
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And we have no rapes in the United States that go unreported? What is your premise for saying Shariah Law hinders females from reporting rapes? I'm not saying you're wrong, but a statement like that actually needs some basis which you have yet to form.
Not saying there aren't unreported cases in the USA. Just that there are far more unreported cases in Islamic countries due to Sharia Law.

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Why are rape victims often punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?


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Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
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Rape is virtually impossible to prove under strict Islamic law (Sharia). If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

A recent fatwa from a mainstream Islamic site echoes this rule and even chides a victim of incest for complaining when she has no "evidence":
However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted.

Hence, the statement of this girl or the statement of her mother in itself does not Islamically prove anything against the father, especially that the latter denies it.

Therefore, if this daughter has no evidence to prove that her accusations are true, she should not have claimed that she was raped by her father and she should not have taken him to the court. (IslamWeb.net, Image)

Since it is incredibly unlikely that a child molester will violate his victim in front of "four trustworthy men", Islamic law amounts to a free pass for sexual predators.

Islamic law rejects forensic evidence (such as DNA) in favor of testimony. An interesting situation thus sometimes develops in cases where a victim alleges rape and the man denies that sex even took place. In the absence of four male witnesses, rape cannot be proven. The woman's testimony then becomes a "confession" of adultery. She can be stoned, even though the male is unpunished, since he never "confessed" to a sexual act!

Also, there can be no such thing as rape in marriage, even if the husband has to hit the wife in order to bring about her submission. Another recent fatwa reminds a woman, she "does not have the right to refuse her husband, rather she must respond to his request every time he calls her." (Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 33597).
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Men have no self-control so unless women cover up it's their fault for being raped.

It's fascinating how derogatory this is to BOTH sexes.
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From what you posted, I saw nothing but deductions that the author made with little snippets of actual quotes from fatwas which I'm sure were taken out of context/picking and choosing. Either way, fatwas from a "mainstream Islamic site" mean nothing. If you're a Sunni Muslim you can easily disagree with any "fatwa" a cleric makes based on your own understanding of scripture, but regardless, there is no fatwa out there that says rape is permissible, or that you need 4 male witnesses (this is only the case when you ACCUSE ANOTHER OF ADULTERY), so as a well versed Muslim I can immediately point out that the article was complete hogwash. Btw, if you want to get your opinions taken seriously, it'd be best not to quote from thereligionofpeace.org.

Here are some AUTHENTICATED HADITH about the punishment for rape.

During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

During the time when Umar (raa) was the Khalifah, a woman accused his son Abu Shahmah of raping her; she brought the infant borne of this incident with her to the mosque and publicly spoke about what had happened. Umar (raa) asked his son who acknowledged committing the crime and was duly punished right there and then. There was no punishment given to the woman. (Rauf)
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Men have no self-control so unless women cover up it's their fault for being raped.

It's fascinating how derogatory this is to BOTH sexes.
I haven't heard of most Muslims say it's entirely the woman's fault for being raped if she doesn't dress modestly, but I also don't think we should pretend that a woman's body and seduction has no power over a man which can influence the man into committing a terrible crime. Obviously the man is entirely responsible for his own actions, but the good thing about Islam is that it recognizes, to a degree, the obvious dynamics of life and nature, and doesn't try to pretend that they don't exist like the liberals of today.
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I haven't heard of most Muslims say it's entirely the woman's fault for being raped if she doesn't dress modestly, but I also don't think we should pretend that a woman's body and seduction has no power over a man which can influence the man into committing a terrible crime. Obviously the man is entirely responsible for his own actions, but the good thing about Islam is that it recognizes, to a degree, the obvious dynamics of life and nature, and doesn't try to pretend that they don't exist like the liberals of today.
Watch the video, that's exactly what the guy says.
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I don't see any video. I clicked the link at the bottom of your post and I was sent to a page saying exactly what I said. That Hadith corroborate the requirement of 4 male witnesses only if someone accuses his/her partner of adultery. Nothing to do what so ever with rape.

I'm also not sure how you could even continue arguing your point. I just gave you a well known hadith about a woman accusing a man of rape, pointing him out, and the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) saying to to her go, God has forgiven her, while implementing justice towards the rapist. Is that still not enough for you? I think the 2nd highest authoritative text in Islam should have a bit more credibility than a well known anti-Islam website ran by an obvious Islamophobe.
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I don't see any video. I clicked the link at the bottom of your post and I was sent to a page saying exactly what I said. That Hadith corroborate the requirement of 4 male witnesses only if someone accuses his/her partner of adultery. Nothing to do what so ever with rape.
The bottom of the OP and if a rapist claims the sex is consensual, then is it not adultery?
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1) 6 minutes of talking about his experiences with immodesty in the Western World - "But Alhamdulillah (praise be to God), we haven't come to that sickness yet, we Muslims. We try, try to keep away from it. This is your pleasure, your privelage, WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE YOU, but we are saying, you are playing with fire my child. And you're paying the price now, and you will pay the price later (day of Judgement)"

I'm really happy you directed me to that video, actually. Great listen and an obviously very smart, wise, and peace loving man.

2) Look up the definition of adultery.
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So you agree with him in that the woman is to blame for her rape if she's not in a hijab?
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I think a woman who dresses immodestly is to blame for drawing unnecessary and unwanted attention to themselves. This attention, in a few extreme cases leads to rape, which they are not to blame for at all, but they do have a hand in what eventually helped influence the crime.

It's like putting a bag of cash in the open on your front lawn. Of no one is allowed to go take your cash, but your still an idiot for leaving it out in the open when it's an obvious and natural product of corruption
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So they're not to blame for the rape, just for inciting the rape?
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Inciting is the wrong word entirely. They share a portion of the blame for knowingly and unnecessarily openly displaying the aspects of themselves which serve, naturally, as the largest sOurce of corruption among men. The entire situation is very complex and you can't just say it happened absolutely for this and that, but it's completely against my intuition to say that there actions are completely independent of consequences, whether thy consequence is Being treated differently at work, a group of Landscapers honking at her walking down the street or getting raped.
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Oddly enough I've never honked at a woman nor raped one and I didn't need a religion to stop me. Sounds a bit ridiculous to state the woman should cover herself to prevent someone from being able to control themselves.
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