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Old 05-08-2012, 07:01 PM #1282
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Careful! If someone sees you having problems with that soft swolen paint in your Rotor it automatically means that your Vapor is broken, and by default every other Vapor must be broken at the same time.
Do you expect to go places getting offended by kids on the internet? We understand that you support your sponsors.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:32 PM #1285
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Do you expect to go places getting offended by kids on the internet? We understand that you support your sponsors.
Has nothing to do with supporting my sponsor. As I stated earlier, sponsor or not, if the marker sucked I am the first in the line to tell you so.

You're both right that I dipped into the realm of the people I was correcting. And I apologize. But after 60 some pages of people in here making claims as people in the know, without actually knowing anything, it gets old.

Bottom line kids... the Vapor isn't for everyone. Its expensive. It shoots real nice. It looks nice. It's new so there may be a few issues here and there. But you will get what you pay for. If you bought one from me or you live east of the Mississippi river I will fix it for you for free for 2 years. All the things that 'should be' in the box for $1650 will be there, even if I have to put it there myself.

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Yay I'm on the East side

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Ok I'm gonna go back to playing with my vapor now....

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If you bought one from me or you live east of the Mississippi river I will fix it for you for free for 2 years. All the things that 'should be' in the box for $1650 will be there, even if I have to put it there myself.

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I dont normally like green, but that white/lime looks good.
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Wow, you fail.. Don't know how to use your Psychic powers to Hold the phone? :p

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Me personally I'm a red guy, The vampire is sick and I like this one as well







Black w / red parts would look nice as well


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all red sounds good. I had a luxe that was dust black with gloss black parts. That would sick with the Vapor.

The white/red definitely looks sharp.
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That was my team, Palm Beach and you are wrong.
We had 1 Vapor with a problem that I resolved in about 30 seconds. The problems you saw was Rotors jamming on paint that went spongy in 96 degree temps and 80% humidity.




Ok, wrong again, we had no major problems at all. But thanks, yes I would like to think I know what I'm doing with the Vapor.



Another expert, sadly wrong. The problems we were having was with paint.

Only 1 Vapor had a mechanical issue that prevented it from being used for 1 point. And it was caused by user error.

I also had a tank that blew a burst disk. That doesnt mean all of our CP regs and tanks were broken tho, just to be clear.



The 3 Star we were shooting got a bit spongy and was jamming in the Rotor. The 4 Star shot a lot better.



Then why dont you come ask me? I think most of the people in this thread know me well enough to understand that I am not unapproachable (in most cases) and if something sucks I will be the first to tell you. I would not put hardware in the hands of my players that have issues, I dont care how cheap or free the product may be. And I certainly wouldnt be selling it or doing the service for half the country if it was crap.

Did you also notice that the other players on our team who dont yet have the Vapor who were using a Rotor on an Eclipse, Dye or even an Angel were having the exact same issues? Guess not; otherwise you'd be posting in those threads too stating how all of our other guns were broken.

Here's a statement that will probably get me in trouble but it will reinforce my statement. I agree that for $1650 the Vapor should include the hardcopy manual, both for the gun itself and for the APE Renegade board. The board manual should be seperate from the marker manual and should include a detailed accounting of every setting it has and how changing that setting will effect the function of the Vapor. It should also come with a really good battery, a barrel sock, a tech mat, a tool set, a tube of lube and a complete rebuilt kit.

For the ones who will claim I am only saying that because its my sponsor, you are also wrong. Machine takes care of us; better than we should expect, but by no means are the guns we have free, and they arent even very cheap.

The Vapors you see us shooting today are actually "Beta" guns. We have been testing the guns for Machine and giving feedback with every small issue we have. Suprisingly there have been very few. I still have the prototype marker, the first in the country, and aside from a a small annoying leak I have yet to run down, it also shoots money. I have heard no issues with any final production markers that are being sold to this point. I can only speak for the east coast, however I speak to Eric often (Shootinpoo) and he has expressed no concerns or stated there are issues with the production markers either.

Every time we talk to Mike and Andrew about the concerns we have, they are addressed instantly. I received the prototype Vapor at the Galveston event. That marker was breaking paint, I Skyped with Mike we discussed a change to the bolt face. I had a new bolt with a redesigned face in a week. Problem resolved.

So to clear up any further assumptions from this past weekend and set the record straight for all of the experts in this thread. We had 1 Vapor with an issue, and just so you know that problem was caused by user error. I had to replace the rear breach o-ring and the marker was back online. We have had no mechanical failures at all.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask me here, find me on Facebook, grab me at an event or at Hotshots. Take the high road ladies and gents, lets try to be supportive. Theres no reason to come in here, or anywhere, and flout your expertise in areas that you are not. You just annoy those of us that are.

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Has nothing to do with supporting my sponsor. As I stated earlier, sponsor or not, if the marker sucked I am the first in the line to tell you so.

You're both right that I dipped into the realm of the people I was correcting. And I apologize. But after 60 some pages of people in here making claims as people in the know, without actually knowing anything, it gets old.

Bottom line kids... the Vapor isn't for everyone. Its expensive. It shoots real nice. It looks nice. It's new so there may be a few issues here and there. But you will get what you pay for. If you bought one from me or you live east of the Mississippi river I will fix it for you for free for 2 years. All the things that 'should be' in the box for $1650 will be there, even if I have to put it there myself.

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If anyone is on the fence as to purchasing the marker or not I think that will do it. It seems all of the people involved have offered to support the marker regardless of the claims
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PHOTO TIME! (because I've come to realize I suck at making videos)

So, here's the core next to a 2.0 luxe core





... and stripped down (basic)





3 internal orings on the luxe, 1 internal oring on the vapor.





Full Strip!





(hint, this is a button)





this is what comes out





and it goes in here!





... this is the spring and can (it's a self-sealing valve, like on the clone or droid. this helps with efficiency!)





OH! and here's the reg stripped down...I got bored xD




standard reg operation, but the screw at the bottom (right side) is reverse-threaded. Flush w/ internal housing = 290 from what I can guess. Also, the screw at the top of the reg housing (the part on the left) is only there to hold the 2nd piece in place; think of it as an intricate transfer port. (IE There's no reason to touch it....so DON'T!)



First impressions: HOLY HELL the milling is slick! And I don't hate the trigger as much as I originally though I was going to. APE board is SICK! Manual for it can be found on their website (generic OLED programming). WOW! Shoots like a really snappy (and responsive) luxe or a REALLY well tuned clone. This is a keeper!!!!! Also, as soon as you get your vapor, CLEAN OUT THE FACTORY LUBE and replace it with gunsav or D33. Then, run APE's Tune Assist to properly set your dwell and eye delay. I found a dwell of 11 and ED of 27 to be the magic numbers.

One more thing: my Z2 sits HELLA LOW on the feedneck/body.

Side note: a lot of people seem to hate the look of the eye covers. 1) get over yourself. 2) they're that big because there's some sort of wiring that's going to be installed for the new hopper that's coming out. Performance > Looks imo; I'd rather look funny and troll on the field than look awesome and not be able to hit the side of a barn. luckily, the vapor looks good and has performance to boot!






One thing that ticked me off: neither trigger is as adjustable as I'd like it to be (has: pre-travel and activation. DOES NOT HAVE: tension, post-travel). they feel great, but I can't dial them in perfectly. For psp, this isn't a problem, but I play NPPL events from time to time. Violent might be working on a new trigger for the Vapor

BOTTOM LINE!

Is it worth it?

HELL. YES.
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PHOTO TIME! (because I've come to realize I suck at making videos)

So, here's the core next to a 2.0 luxe core





... and stripped down (basic)





3 internal orings on the luxe, 1 internal oring on the vapor.





Full Strip!





(hint, this is a button)





this is what comes out





and it goes in here!





... this is the spring and can (it's a self-sealing valve, like on the clone or droid. this helps with efficiency!)





OH! and here's the reg stripped down...I got bored xD




standard reg operation, but the screw at the bottom (right side) is reverse-threaded. Flush w/ internal housing = 290 from what I can guess. Also, the screw at the top of the reg housing (the part on the left) is only there to hold the 2nd piece in place; think of it as an intricate transfer port. (IE There's no reason to touch it....so DON'T!)



First impressions: HOLY HELL the milling is slick! And I don't hate the trigger as much as I originally though I was going to. APE board is SICK! Manual for it can be found on their website (generic OLED programming). WOW! Shoots like a really snappy (and responsive) luxe or a REALLY well tuned clone. This is a keeper!!!!! Also, as soon as you get your vapor, CLEAN OUT THE FACTORY LUBE and replace it with gunsav or D33. Then, run APE's Tune Assist to properly set your dwell and eye delay. I found a dwell of 11 and ED of 27 to be the magic numbers.

One more thing: my Z2 sits HELLA LOW on the feedneck/body.

Side note: a lot of people seem to hate the look of the eye covers. 1) get over yourself. 2) they're that big because there's some sort of wiring that's going to be installed for the new hopper that's coming out. Performance > Looks imo; I'd rather look funny and troll on the field than look awesome and not be able to hit the side of a barn. luckily, the vapor looks good and has performance to boot!






One thing that ticked me off: neither trigger is as adjustable as I'd like it to be (has: pre-travel and activation. DOES NOT HAVE: tension, post-travel). they feel great, but I can't dial them in perfectly. For psp, this isn't a problem, but I play NPPL events from time to time. Violent might be working on a new trigger for the Vapor

BOTTOM LINE!

Is it worth it?

HELL. YES.
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To the GUY above me, WHY QUOTE HIS THREAD! Jeeesh......

YES Thanks PROMOD - this is what I was waiting so long for!


OK - one thing that is striking me - Bolt is Awfully LONG! Which leads me to believe there are breach o-rings. Since the can sits so rearward.
How many breach o-rings are there inside. 2 or more 017's ? I would think the bolt would need something to stabilize it.

If so - how is it to take them out to replace...


Thanks in advance!

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