[BOOM401]

The board is definitely destroyed, and parts keep falling off like one of the jewels, the membrane pad, grip screws, and the screen.

Originally Posted by tonycon

Here is a link for a new frame...saw the close up pics...hopefully the board isn't shot as well.

http://paintballshowcase.com/planete...amesilver.aspx

[RyanR]

Originally Posted by MarkParris

believe its designed to do that so you dont injure yourself very badly.

It's designed to break that way so the tank/asa doesnt seperate and become a missile, it's not designed to absorb impact on the body/user.

[ICUPatNIGHT]

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[RyanR]

No no, it's speculated that it's a safety feature to absorb impact on the body/user.

Direct quote from someone else who tried arguing this.. dont know where it's from, but it's jack wood who said it...

Originally Posted by Jack Wood
Can I comment?

I have posted on this subject several times on PBN but never here, but as you guys are paying it some attention I suppose I may as well have a go at explaining things here too.

The year before last we made a conscious decision as a company to take a look at the dovetail ASA/frame interface point. Through 05 and 06 we had a lot of incidents of people tearing the ASA off the dovetail mount during "accidents" (usually occurring during diving manoeuvres!). This destroyed the frame interface and the ASA and we ended up replacing 2 parts for people, the frame and the ASA. On top of that we had several cases of the hosing pulling out of the fittings after such an incident and the tank/hose flying around.

When we started to look at this when we started on the 07 design we decided that what we felt was best for us, and best from a safety point of view, was to have one sacrificial part, but have it so that that one part kept the tank and the gun body/grip together.

[ICUPatNIGHT]

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[RyanR]

LOL really? I'll continue with jacks quote then.. and underline the important part..

Without adding another "crumple" part between the frame and the ASA, this is what we thought offered the best compromise. The down side is that if you have a crash as bad as this one it will obviously damage the board too, but we feel that the quantities are so low of this type of incident that it warrants the risk.

Yes we do warrant this type of damage. Don't ask me why, but we do. We know people don't do this type of thing on purpose (most of the time!) and that 9/10 it is pure accident or mis-fortune that causes this type of bend.

Yes the gun is light. Yes the frame is milled light. Yes it aluminium. But at the end of the day, we would rather have someone bend a frame and us be able to say "here you go, lets fix that for you" rather than be looking at replacing a bent body, snapped FRM or In-Line reg or worse looking at some kid who just got all his teeth knocked out because he dove in the snake, spiked the barrel, snapped the tank off the ASA and it punched him in the mouth.

Jack

Originally Posted by Jack Wood
the T-Rail design was implemented to make sure that the ASA never came detached from the frame. That was our primary concern. From that point the development moved to deciding what would be the weak link, and how we could ensure with most certainty that it could deform to accommodate a critical impact without the tank ever becoming separated (either at the tank end, or so that the hose becomes the only link between tank and gun) from the grip and body of the gun. We played around with a separate piece between the ASA and the bottom of the grip, but we could not make it a size such that it did not effect the aesthetics/feel of the gun and yet accommodate the full absorption of a major impact.
Add into that we need to sacrifice the lowest cost item. The body is the most expensive item in the gun by several orders of magnitude, so me wanted to make sure that that NEVER got damaged (see some of the early SL66 egos that got crashed like this one here and you will see the body is warped and cannot be salvaged, meaning several hundred dollars at cost in the trash can right there).

That left just the frame to work with.

Now I am not vain enough to say that I got the Factor of Safety (FOS) in the frame 100% correct. Maybe it could be stronger and still be the critical fail point? But, as a company we are 100% happy with the results that the design delivers. We have had players come to us with smashed out teeth, broken ribs, broken collar bones, dislocated shoulders, all from bad dives. We are confident that with a different design those players could be looking at much more serious injuries from the gun, tank or worse. A new frame, maybe (in very rare occasions) a new board, and the gun is up and running at zero cost to the customer and a manageable cost to us.

[BOOM401]

got her looking all pretty again

[Novster]

I still dont understand how that still shoots dylan... amazing

[skeletar]

nice work!

[Brules]

Glad to see you got it fixed, what was the process if I might ask? What did you have to pay for?

[BOOM401]

Originally Posted by skeletar

nice work!

thanks I was really trying lol

Originally Posted by Brules

Glad to see you got it fixed, what was the process if I might ask? What did you have to pay for?

in the end i used the stock board which amazingly still works just the screen is smashed to pieces. and bought a ego10 frame which was $90.

[GabrielMRamirez]

My buddy just did the same thing with his CSL.

[middleclasspb]

Originally Posted by GabrielMRamirez

My buddy just did the same thing with his CSL.

damn... thats terrible

[somers]

Originally Posted by ICUPatNIGHT

Are you a representative of the company?

There is always one negative nancy isnt there!!! They will replace any frame, wheather or not you have to pay for it is a different story..

Geez dude, remove head from ***

[AxeHero25]

He killed it

[troutman]

captain just did this to his geo 2 the day before an event. they fixed his frame and bored within a week