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Old 04-20-2012, 08:37 PM #1
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Zimmermans bond Hearing

So his bond hearing was today.

This is how it went down

Zimmerman took the stand and said sorry

Prosecution took the stand and said they have no evidence of who started the fight, nor whos voice was calling for help, but still asked for no bond...lol on what premise?

Bond was set at $150,000
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:16 PM #2
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:22 PM #3
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:40 PM #4
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In this case, a killer said he killed for self defense. That opened the door to bandit to rob people without any risk. If he failed, he could kill the victim then claim he is self defense. That is the point.
If this story has a "point" that is most definitively not it.
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Old 04-21-2012, 06:02 PM #5
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Who is in self defense? A man with a gun and actively provocated a search, or a man without weapon on his way home?

In this case, a killer said he killed for self defense. That opened the door to bandit to rob people without any risk. If he failed, he could kill the victim then claim he is self defense. That is the point.
I don't understand how that, in any way, could be even remotely the same thing. Travon wasn't killed in his own home. Weather George had a gun or not is irrelevant to the possibility of Travon having attacked Zimmerman, thus making it self-defense.
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You do it then.
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:33 PM #7
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He cant do it any different because thats what happen.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:42 AM #8
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Oh hello there.

Where are all the people that said Zimmerman didnt have a scratch on him? You know, the ones who said they didnt see any blood in the video therefore he was perfectly fine and committed murder?

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Old 04-22-2012, 11:55 AM #9
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Oh hello there.

Where are all the people that said Zimmerman didnt have a scratch on him? You know, the ones who said they didnt see any blood in the video therefore he was perfectly fine and committed murder?

[IMG]http://gothamist.com/attachments/byakas/42012zimmemran1.jpg[/IG]
Most of them are claiming that the image was Photoshopped.
They can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in their time.
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:52 PM #10
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The media painted it as the murder of an innocent pretty black boy in his own neighborhood by the obviously white supremacist racist overlord zimmerman. Now that evidence is out they don't want to nullify all the **** they just spewed about it.

I hope he walks free. The evidence is so muddled at this point and who knows maybe Zimmerman did more offense than defense in the altercation. Regardless, some youth in florida is dead and the world goes on.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:00 PM #11
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The evidence is so muddled at this point and who knows maybe Zimmerman did more offense than defense in the altercation. Regardless, some youth in florida is dead and the world goes on.
Yep. Unless new evidence is provided by the prosecutor's there nowhere near enough evidence to convict him. If any good comes off this case it will be from a halfway decent examination of the "stand your ground laws" which would be nice.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:15 PM #12
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I don't understand how that, in any way, could be even remotely the same thing. Travon wasn't killed in his own home. Weather George had a gun or not is irrelevant to the possibility of Travon having attacked Zimmerman, thus making it self-defense.
Is this a joke? ZIMMERMAN was following the kid, ZIMMERMAN even called police to tell them what he was doing, ZIMMERMAN ignored the 911 operator's advice to wait for the real police to show up. If ZIMMERMAN hadn't been "patrolling" the neighborhood this kid would have gotten home fine. And not to mention, if you're driving around like a wannabe police officer and packing heat, the absolute first thing this sociopath is going to do when somebody approaches him is to pull out his gun (and probably get a hard-on because of it), not let Martin swing first.

Ask yourself, what is more likely:

1. Zimmerman gets his fat *** out of his car, says "hey kid stop!", tries to restrain Martin, a scuffle ensues, Martin tries to get away, Zimmerman shoots him.

2. Zimmerman gets his fat *** out of his car, says "hey kid stop!", Martin approaches a strange guy who yelled at him in the middle of the night, starts beating him up, Zimmerman shoots him.

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some youth in florida is dead and the world goes on.
This "I don't give a **** about anybody but myself" attitude is really sickening.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:26 PM #14
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Is this a joke? ZIMMERMAN was following the kid, ZIMMERMAN even called police to tell them what he was doing, ZIMMERMAN ignored the 911 operator's advice to wait for the real police to show up. If ZIMMERMAN hadn't been "patrolling" the neighborhood this kid would have gotten home fine. And not to mention, if you're driving around like a wannabe police officer and packing heat, the absolute first thing this sociopath is going to do when somebody approaches him is to pull out his gun (and probably get a hard-on because of it), not let Martin swing first.

Ask yourself, what is more likely:

1. Zimmerman gets his fat *** out of his car, says "hey kid stop!", tries to restrain Martin, a scuffle ensues, Martin tries to get away, Zimmerman shoots him.

2. Zimmerman gets his fat *** out of his car, says "hey kid stop!", Martin approaches a strange guy who yelled at him in the middle of the night, starts beating him up, Zimmerman shoots him.



This "I don't give a **** about anybody but myself" attitude is really sickening.
He was part of the neighborhood watch. What's wrong with trying to keep your community safe? If martin was indeed not doing anything wrong, then he shouldn't have paid attention to a guy casually following him around. If you're wearing a dark hoodie with your pants around your knees, that conveys an image. The image that you put out there for society usually comes back.

A few weeks prior to this, martin was also charged with possession of weed. Not saying that like it's some horrible thing, but it proves that he wasn't the innocent little boy that the liberal media loves to portray him as. There were witnesses there too, you know. martin went for Zimmerman's gun in which case he had every right to light him up. He needs to walk free and be an example for all the teenage tough guys out there.
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If martin was indeed not doing anything wrong, then he shouldn't have paid attention to a guy casually following him around.
Are you kidding me? If I was walking somewhere at night and someone started following me I sure as hell wouldn't dismiss it and ignore them.
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The root of the issue is which one of them started the confrontation. There are 911 tapes where he made it clear he wasn't going to wait for the police against the instruction of the operator. Again, what do you think is more likely to have started the altercation? A wannabe police officer with violent felonies, and that "second dick" rush of packing heat? Or a kid walking home with a week-old marijuana charge (which is clearly very important to the story, as the gentleman below me pointedly remarks)?

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He was part of the neighborhood watch. What's wrong with trying to keep your community safe? If martin was indeed not doing anything wrong, then he shouldn't have paid attention to a guy casually following him around. If you're wearing a dark hoodie with your pants around your knees, that conveys an image. The image that you put out there for society usually comes back.

A few weeks prior to this, martin was also charged with possession of weed. Not saying that like it's some horrible thing, but it proves that he wasn't the innocent little boy that the liberal media loves to portray him as. There were witnesses there too, you know. martin went for Zimmerman's gun in which case he had every right to light him up. He needs to walk free and be an example for all the teenage tough guys out there.
The fact that you bring up possession and the clothes (which are not even tangentially related to what we're talking about, they're a way of rationalizing this nutcase's behavior and saying "it's okay, Martin was a thug anyway") is pretty ridiculous.

Neighborhood watch is supposed to be an unarmed WATCH organization that calls the real authorities in case of trouble, not an armed vigilante group. There is no way of knowing exactly what happened, but Zimmerman had a proven history of violence (towards police, no less). I think most people are smart enough to know that, even when piss drunk, you just don't touch an LEO. He obviously doesn't have that sort of judgement or self-control. He's patrolling a gated neighborhood with a gun, and he sees some hoodrat that he thinks is going to cause riff-raff.

On the other hand, you have a kid (whose worst crime was conjuring negative stereotypes) walking home with no history of anger or self-control issues, and best of all, NO GUN.
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The root of the issue is which one of them started the confrontation. There are 911 tapes where he made it clear he wasn't going to wait for the police against the instruction of the operator. Again, what do you think is more likely to have started the altercation? A wannabe police officer with violent felonies, and that "second dick" rush of packing heat? Or a kid walking home with a week-old marijuana charge (which is clearly very important to the story, as the gentleman below me pointedly remarks)?
I'll give you that the cause is the question but you presented another false dichotomy. All evidence points towards Martin initiating contact while Zimmerman was returning to his car to wait for the police unit that was responding. It's strange that you reference the 911 call as evidence he wouldn't wait for the police when he specifically informs the operator that he wishes for the responding officer to call his cell phone so they can meet. Why is that?
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I'd be ready to defend myself if that's what you are asking me.
Why would you feel the need to respond with force to somebody that is following you? Do you think you would feel equally as threatened as somebody breaking into your house?
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Why wouldn't you feel the need to respond with force to somebody that is following you? Don't know about you, but I'm not going to be that guy that gets mugged and murdered because some ****bag wants my personal belongings. I would be prepared to defend myself, with my firearm, if someone was stalking me at night time in a sketchy area.

edit - Do I want to cause harm to someone with no intention of causing me harm? No. Do I want to needlessly end a human life? No. But I am always prepared to do so and would never lose an ounce of sleep over protecting myself when I feel that my life is in danger. I never have and I never will.
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