[tippydood]

Originally Posted by pynergee

Pretty sure that was all rub, there's no shell... Anyways, UNO played great today. There is no reason to post threads against either team. Paintball is a sport that you have fun with. Today was one of the best matches I have ever played in, and we grew a lot as a team because of it. We brought our A game, and as we figured out what was working, points went a little less one-sided. All the players on UNO were really respectful and the coach was a good guy, and he thought our last point was a good way to go out.
Thanks to UNO for giving us a great match.

This should end this whole discussion. This guy is showing how paintball should be, learn from mistakes, stuff happens but that's no reason to get upset.

[pacasowithagun]

Originally Posted by DeadStr8Paint

I think the only explanation everyone should be looking for is why can a team that hasn't played any qualifying events all season, still go into the national tournament and play for the title?

I'm not saying don't let that team play and limit the NCPA's cash flow, but limit the round of finals a team could advance to, or don't take them in the final 8.

You can't possibly be serious? Why would a team ever enter a tournament if they would not even be allowed to play in the finals? That makes zero logical sense.

[venom357]

None of you should even be taking strong sides when you werent there yesterday or today. And no, none of them will be tired in the finals because they have way more endurance than any of the teams. they're used to practicing like 50 points, after the matches on friday they practiced for phoenix right after
The finals wont be any different, cal state might score 2-3 points opposed to the previous 0-1 teams scored, but that's about it

[iTzDoUgiE777]

They practiced? God forbid.

Someone get raehl on the phone. This is urgent. No team should be allowed to practice.

[mwm6981]

Originally Posted by Chief Sneekyfoot

How would you prefer the rules to be?

I think it should be no pros allowed. This does sound a little extreme and unfair, but I think if the future tournaments continue to be soo one sided I don't see college students paying thousands of dollars to be destroyed by an almost all pro team. This is just my opinion and I was not there and I could be wrong, players may jump at the chance to be able to say they played pros and won. I believe 2 of the players from the tournament have posted and I believe they each had different feelings about it.

[Chief Sneekyfoot]

Originally Posted by mwm6981

I think it should be no pros allowed. This does sound a little extreme and unfair, but I think if the future tournaments continue to be soo one sided I don't see college students paying thousands of dollars to be destroyed by an almost all pro team. This is just my opinion and I was not there and I could be wrong, players may jump at the chance to be able to say they played pros and won. I believe 2 of the players from the tournament have posted and I believe they each had different feelings about it.

I can understand that, I used to think the same thing when I played in 04 and 05. But I really doubt Raehl would do that since it would limit an already very limited player base. The whole point of the NCPA is to get students to play paintball, and telling students they can't play because they're too good, well that kind of defeats the purpose.

But ok, say Raehl does a 180 and bans students ranked pro in the appa from playing, then where's the line? What about pros from NPPL? Do you just ban students ranked pro, or do you say semi pro and up? What if a team like the jesters or RNT gets 4 or 5 students at the same school and come to tournaments and win by double digits? Is it just the point margin that offends you?

[mwm6981]

Originally Posted by Chief Sneekyfoot

I can understand that, I used to think the same thing when I played in 04 and 05. But I really doubt Raehl would do that since it would limit an already very limited player base. The whole point of the NCPA is to get students to play paintball, and telling students they can't play because they're too good, well that kind of defeats the purpose.

But ok, say Raehl does a 180 and bans students ranked pro in the appa from playing, then where's the line? What about pros from NPPL? Do you just ban students ranked pro, or do you say semi pro and up? What if a team like the jesters or RNT gets 4 or 5 students at the same school and come to tournaments and win by double digits? Is it just the point margin that offends you?

I understand what you are saying and I think it would suck for someone to say you can't represent your school because you are too good. If they continue to have several pros on one team I think other teams will not waste their money at the tournament and stop coming or at least play in a different divisions. So in this case by telling a few people they can't play could actually help the tournament to grow.

[venom357]

Originally Posted by iTzDoUgiE777

They practiced? God forbid.

Someone get raehl on the phone. This is urgent. No team should be allowed to practice.

I didnt say that. it just further proves my point that this is nothing but practice for them, and they don't take it nearly as serious as those of us paying out of our own pockets to come play this tournament.

[SubliminalKi11]

Originally Posted by DeadStr8Paint

I think the only explanation everyone should be looking for is why can a team that hasn't played any qualifying events all season, still go into the national tournament and play for the title?

I'm not saying don't let that team play and limit the NCPA's cash flow, but limit the round of finals a team could advance to, or don't take them in the final 8.

No one should be complaining about who can and can't play... if they go to college, they can play, they'll graduate eventually, and I'd love to have some pro players on my squad.

Just my 2 cents, the NCPA is still awesome and I plan on doing this until I graduate.

I totally agree, because at least going into the event we knew who was hot, who had been practicing and the seedings reflected those scores, to have a team that's never played a regular season event come in, especially a good one, screws up the seedings and then when they crush every single team they face, the teams who had been busting their ***** all year to make it here is just not fun. They are good, which everyone hates because the people who play them have little fun, and no chance at a title, but they all go to the same school, and that just means we need to bump up our skills to match them.

[Chief Sneekyfoot]

Originally Posted by mwm6981

I understand what you are saying and I think it would suck for someone to say you can't represent your school because you are too good. If they continue to have several pros on one team I think other teams will not waste their money at the tournament and stop coming or at least play in a different divisions. So in this case by telling a few people they can't play could actually help the tournament to grow.

So does it change if say Long Beach or UConn or Tennessee shows up and smashes everyone by double digits without students ranked pro? Not sure that it's happened, but would that be acceptable if it did?

[Josh.Smith]

Bornstein just won a pro event...which Vicious has never even come close to doing, and nobody complains about him?

Let them all play. Pro paintball does not equal pro football.

[iTzDoUgiE777]

I'm sorry, but a semi-finals appearance in their last full event doesn't mean they've never come close to winning a pro event.

[Tparker0733]

What happened to playing better people to get better? If you are a hitter in baseball, do you think you get better at hitting by hitting off a pitcher who throws 40? No you get better from hitting off of a 90 mph pitcher.

Same goes here. When you come to an event with harder competition, you learn more and can develop more. I play out of Insane Paintball where Chattanooga CEP practices and every time I play against or watch them play I learn something new. I may get beat in the ground all day, but I guarantee I come out of it a better player than I would beating up on lower talent.

I am not at the event, but if I were, pro players would not bother me one bit. It's about your attitude coming in. There is a huge difference in saying, "Oh hell we have to play Nebraska/Cal State we are gonna get destroyed" and saying, "Oh we drew Nebraska/Cal State. Let's go in give it our best shot and try to come out of it learning something on the field and about our team." I'm sure it sucks to have a short showing at Nationals, but using this year playing pros will benefit you, more than hurt you.

Just my 2 cents.

[Josh.Smith]

Originally Posted by iTzDoUgiE777

I'm sorry, but a semi-finals appearance in their last full event doesn't mean they've never come close to winning a pro event.

lol

I put that in there just to get this reaction.

They are obviously really really really good.

[jmorisaki]

FAU played them tough and gave them quite the challenge. Well done

[TheRedButton]

1. Everyone is missing the point that this is a fairly rare anomaly, and likely we won't see more than 2 pro players on any given collegiate level team again in the near future.

2. After Bryan's interview just now, I don't think anyone can rightly say "he shouldn't be allowed to play."

[TheRedButton]

P.S. If I were there playing, I'd get geeked about shooting at Vicious. I'd be playing like a madman.

[jmorisaki]

I'd shoot Bryan when he wasn't looking. He's a good kid. They all are. Great sportsmanship. Great competition.

[Chief Sneekyfoot]

Originally Posted by TheRedButton

2. After Bryan's interview just now, I don't think anyone can rightly say "he shouldn't be allowed to play."

What was said? I ducked out and missed it.

[A Damn Fool]

Originally Posted by venom357

I didnt say that. it just further proves my point that this is nothing but practice for them, and they don't take it nearly as serious as those of us paying out of our own pockets to come play this tournament.

Every college players pays the same amount per team.

Vicious would not cover their entry for this tournament- if you think about it playing in the NCPA is actually taking away from their Pro Practice. If the gap is so wide between Pro and NCPA why would they waste their time?

Tony Costa has won in the NCPA. Him and the Vicious players have a lot in common.

They both are busy as hell (pro paintball, PhD) yet they sacrifice to represent their school and play what they love- paintball.

The NCPA has been one of the more successfully leagues due to this premise- people (not children on PBnation) are more drawn to watching players represent their school with nothing on the line(no prizes)

Every team in this tournament is doing just that, regardless of what other team they play on. Thanks Chris for another awesome tournament, and good luck- may the best college team win!

[JakeTheSnake901]

The majority of the people whining about pro players playing NCPA don't even play in the NCPA... so their opinions are thus rendered invalid. Haven't really seen anyone with the NCPA badge in their sig have a problem with it. Personally, I don't care who plays. There should be 5 guys on the field at a time. Other than that, it should not matter how they got there or what their status in another league is. Last time I checked you won events by shooting people not whining about how good your competition is.

edit: to Venom357- who cares how seriously you think they take it? If they win points and mash other teams it really doesn't matter how serious of a face they do or don't make.