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Old 04-12-2012, 04:07 AM #379
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I'm having very similar issues, except it will work amazingly and then either start leaking out the back or get random to constant shot drop off. Another symptom is that if the gun as been sitting for a bit I get almost complete bolt stick, i.e. I have to sit there and walk the trigger for a bit until it will fully cycle. I have my dwell at 13.5, my lpr at 1.5 turns out, and anti-FSDO at 10.
Your dwell and LPR are both insanely low. I realize it may work sometimes, but the only way to fix bolt stick is to either up the dwell or the LPR. Seems to me raising the dwell keeps it smoother, and raising the LPR keeps it efficient.

When I first put the eigenring in, my gun worked fine at super low settings. Then when I played my first two games (around one and a half weeks later, didn't touch my gun in that time), it worked fine aswell. I'm willing to bet that if I lowered my settings back down, I'd get the same results as you. When it comes down to it, your gun is having bolt stick and is being inconsistent, and the only way to combat that is to raise the dwell or the LPR. The key is to find a medium that you are satisfied with.

My choice was to leave my dwell low, because the only reason I bought the eigenring was to help with efficiency. I raised my LPR a little over half a turn and it solved everything. My gun is a little louder, and maybe a tiny bit less smooth than it was at low settings, but my efficiency is still very high (compared to before). I honestly never really pay THAT much attention to how smooth my gun is or how loud it is, so I couldn't tell you if it is louder/less smooth now that I have the eigenring in.

The final test for my DM10 will be a brittle paint test, and if it passes, I'll keep the eigenring in my gun for as long as it performs. If not, I'm fully prepared to buy a 90ci bottle, and just leave the eigenring in my bag. ATM, I honestly kinda doubt that it will shoot brittle paint, and I don't fully trust the eigenring yet, as it's only seen one day of play. I do however, trust Lurker, and even if my eigenring doesn't end up working out, I won't regret my purchase in the slightest.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:21 AM #380
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My working theory is that the ring keeps the pressure in the chamber higher longer, so that the forward bias on the bolt assists the dwell a bit - so you get some "free dwell" just like a spring mod shocker would. Really it's only initial LPR that affects paint handling, so I'd be surprised if there's a large difference with and without. The only difference may be with bolt position - if the oring on the back cap gives more length than the octagonal ring the ball may get a bolt with slightly more velocity. I will evaluate getting a metric ring for the backcap to eliminate such a gap, though.
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Old 04-12-2012, 06:29 PM #381
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Question:

Are these supposed to come with a spring? Or was that just the first ones/prototypes? I just got mine in, and noticed no spring.
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Old 04-12-2012, 06:43 PM #382
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No spring.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:21 PM #383
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Is it required for the o-ring inside the eigenring to be installed? It keeps slipping out when I try to put it on the top hat of my DM10. The eigenring seems to slip on without it in though...

Edit: Found my answer.
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:01 AM #384
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Mistah mistah lurker... please sir.. can I have some more?!
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:00 PM #385
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I'll check on that DM12 proto, yes
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:31 PM #387
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just bought a eigen ring read the instuctions wondering how it goes i put the little ring on first. then the can on open side to the back then the lock i am clueless. i thought i had it but my gun only shoots about 15 feet I pmed you my number. totally clueless you had no pics in your manual to look off of
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:46 PM #388
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Slide 3 rings on top hat, then eigenring... Then put the hex shaped clip on the threads of the top hat. Assemble as usual. The hex shape traps the ring on the tophat between the orings and itself.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:48 PM #389
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Ok, so I have my eigenring installed on my STDM5 and I LOVE IT! Dwell is at 14, and it is shooting just as smooth as when it was at 21. NOw, my question is: I don't rally care about efficiency at all. It's a nice byproduct, sure, but not my top priority. So, According to the method in the manual, it shoots great, but, if I up the dwell, will it shoot smoother, like in a traditional DM setup? Smoothness and quietness are my top priorities. I don't want to sacrifice the two for the efficiency, especially if I can revert back to a higher dwell, and gain some smoothness.

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Old 04-18-2012, 09:21 PM #390
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Ok, so I have my eigenring installed on my STDM5 and I LOVE IT! Dwell is at 14, and it is shooting just as smooth as when it was at 21. NOw, my question is: I don't rally care about efficiency at all. It's a nice byproduct, sure, but not my top priority. So, According to the method in the manual, it shoots great, but, if I up the dwell, will it shoot smoother, like in a traditional DM setup? Smoothness and quietness are my top priorities. I don't want to sacrifice the two for the efficiency, especially if I can revert back to a higher dwell, and gain some smoothness.

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Upping your dwell pretty much takes away every advantage the eigenring gives you. With your dwell in the stock range, your gun will pretty much operate the same as it does without an eigenring. That being said, it should be a tiny, tiny bit smoother because the eigenring accelerates in the opposite direction of the bolt, so some recoil will be cancelled.

I doubt it will be noticeably smoother or quieter, but you can try it if you want.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:32 PM #391
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Ok, so I have my eigenring installed on my STDM5 and I LOVE IT! Dwell is at 14, and it is shooting just as smooth as when it was at 21. NOw, my question is: I don't rally care about efficiency at all. It's a nice byproduct, sure, but not my top priority. So, According to the method in the manual, it shoots great, but, if I up the dwell, will it shoot smoother, like in a traditional DM setup? Smoothness and quietness are my top priorities. I don't want to sacrifice the two for the efficiency, especially if I can revert back to a higher dwell, and gain some smoothness.

Thanks in advance.
I'd say the biggest key to getting your gun smoother is a different lurker product... the lube. A nice slick lube will allow you to minimize the LP and that will give you the lowest kick possible.

BTW... lurker is thicker than I thought it would be. It feels like super slick dow33 and stays put nicely. Spend another $8 at lurker and enjoy. (Also, the eigenbarrel is insanely quiet and is the main reason I love them. Maybe spend $48 lol)
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:48 PM #392
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^ I've got lurker's lube, as well as xrings on the dynamic orings. LP is pretty low, just thought I would play around with the eigenring as well.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:10 PM #393
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what 3 rings i have no idea somebody pm me im so clueless like 3 rings?
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:13 PM #394
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yea I have no idea whats going on
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:24 PM #395
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yea do i put the open sided can in the back
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:29 PM #396
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Old 04-19-2012, 01:49 AM #397
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Let's go left to right:

1. This sleeve should have the solid wall butt up against the wall of the tophat, so the open section will be facing the rear of your gun, forming a donut shaped "tunnel.

2. This ring, lube the edges and then drop it into the space between sleeve and tophat. You'll notice it fits perfectly.

3. after step 1 and 2 place this octagonal ring on the threads of the top hat , then screw on the back cap to clamp it in place securely.
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:07 AM #398
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so the thin circle goes in 2nd behind the can
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Old 04-19-2012, 02:26 PM #399
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ok im pretty sure i got it right now the problem is that my gun only shoots like 20 feet then dies now my tank pressure is 550 wondering will that effect it at all or what
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