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Old 04-02-2012, 04:30 PM #22
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CC paintball usually reps for DYE at these events and has a tech at their booth FOR THE PLAYERS WHO PAID $$$$ TO PLAY. This year that was not allowed. They were not allowed to have a DYE tech to work on markers and they were not allowed to sell any product from PSP sponsors I.E. DYE, Draxus, Empire, JT...... Seriously? Who is this hurting?
My team felt personally jipped and left out to dry by Dye and the NPPL on this one. One of our players was having gun problems with his DM12 right before one of our matches was to begin and there was no assistance we could seek to get it shooting again. Eclipse had techs right there in the pits. I understand the connection between Dye and PSP but it's a bunch of BS when the Dye customers get screwed like that.




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Does anyone else not see the dilemma in charging people to watch? Come on!!! If paintballers want venues like HB to continue then the focus needs to shift from making a quick buck to expanding the sport. With new spectators comes new players/ new money/new talent/new innovation/ and overall growth. There is no reason to have this venue if we can't get more people involved.
I was walking out of the grandstands on Saturday right as three teenage kids were being turned away by the dude who was working the grandstand entrance. As they were turned away because they didn't have wristbands one of them said, "you have to buy wristbands to watch a paintball tournament? Screw this let's go skateboard."

Yeah, good luck trying to grow the sport when you're turning potential fans away, especially when paintball already had their attention and they were willing to sit down and check it out for a game or two.


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These were two of my main issues with the tournament. Other than that I thought the announcing on field 1 was mediocre. My teammates and I had no idea what games were being played (such as quarter finals, semi-finals, championship, etc) or what the implications of winning these games were. I don't think I need to even mention how horrible the TV screens with the scoreboards on them were to see. I'm hope large scoreboards are in the works.

Also, They repped the Sapporo so hard but the only people that could buy them at the venue were the people in the VIP booth. I probably would have spent a grip of money on them after we were done playing Sunday if they were available elsewhere at the venue.


Other than these few issues, I thought the tournament was run very smoothly. I mean, how often do games consistently run ahead of schedule? I had a great time and look forward to returning to an improved event(s) in the upcoming years.
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:34 PM #23
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Well I dont know about you, but i had a great time. I cant see how anyone could not have had a great time watching pball on the beach, in a prime location, with chicks in bikini's parading around and in fair weather conditions.....Maybe you should stop complain like little baby b*tches, cuz HB is always a dope place to be.Our teams got knocked out early Sunday, but it still was pretty cool hanging out, catching up with familiar faces, and seeing painball being brought to so many folks that never knew this type of pball existed. Cant please everyone I guess. Dont think the NPPL is trying to be everything to everyone. It has its good and not so good, just like any other tourney. It was pretty cool not having to travel to some remote area in the middle of nowhere just to watch paintball. Dont get me wrong , i like arrending those as well.
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:40 PM #24
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as long as there is el dons liquor store and wahoos im happy

but one crazy thing is having to pay to watch just because you didnt make finals? Damn... thats messed up, didnt we already spend thousands to just be here?
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:46 PM #25
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I had a blast at this event.
played D3 7-man, didnt get past Prelims, but it was such a fun event.
However the trade show is smaller every year, and I wouldnt be surprised to see the 2013 HB event ran by the PSP.
could you imagine that? there would easily be 9 fields and TONS of vendors at the next HB event if the leagues were to merge!
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:11 PM #27
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I understand what you are getting at, however stadiums and convention centers are private venues. When was the last time you saw a super bowl on a public beach, in plain sight. Never. you have to go out of your way to participate and pay at those events. I am more referring to those people who are not aware of what is going on or know what paintball is (the foot traffic).



Almost all, If not all, SOCAL PB fields have more than three tournament fields. We used to play tournements at SC, Tombstone, Lions Den, Jungle, Camp Pendelton... all the time. The capability is there.



My First Point.



Correct, partially. Yes it is money loss for NPPL. But also the Vendors, the city, the local businesses (everyone's favorite liquor store) and so on. This will end with no support and very little participation. Then no more HB. Get it?




Really? What do you think this whole post is about. What portion is selfish? where am I gaining anything from this? Lets put our critical thinking caps on.



I am happy for those that played and had a great time. The whole point to this post is that I want everyone to experience this.
I will address your points in the order that they appear:

1) Huntington Beach is also a private venue. It costs NPPL a lot of money to reserve portions of the beach for large venues such as NPPL HB. So a solution to your point would be to have announcers talking about information of what is going on to help non ballers understand what they are watching. If you are trying to "expand the sport" what will holding events at actual paintball fields accomplish? besides completely wiping the option of introducing new people to the sport off the menu.

2) I live in southern CA so I know of all the fields out here. I am talking about not simply the amount of fields, but parking space and venue space. USPL held an event at a local field one season and if you remember what happened there.... nothing! There was a total of about 30 spectators all event. The whole idea of having venues at non "already established" fields is how you expand the sport. REFER TO #1 ABOVE.

3) So you agree with me on point 3 about how holding an event in a large public location is more of an "aww" factor for new people to paintball than a paintball field? Which by the way... if you hold an event at a paintball field the 1000s of foot traffic WONT BE THERE!! Only the 50-100 paintballers who are within an hr drive will be there.

4) You agree with me again. The loss of NPPL HB, or other major city venues would hurt the "tourist money income" to the city where the tournament is being held. So why does this make you think that NPPL should stray away from tourism cities? According to your statement you want to take away money from the NPPL and cities hosting the events.

5) The portion that is selfish is the fact that you are only inputting your personal opinion on the matter and not taking a step back like I am to really understand and see what it is that I am talking about. You need to see the whole picture(which I am addressing).


I also want to mention that you keep saying people have to pay all this money just to watch a sport they do not understand. You are forgetting that they can have free parking or probably paid to park since they wanted to goto the beach or surf competition or whatever anyways. No loss for them here. Also, only sitting in the grandstands costs money. Everything is free besides that. You can browse the vendors for free and you can watch divisional games for free. You can also walk along the beach for free and talk to people about what's going on and people at the vendors for free. SO to solve your "it costs too much" argument I just have to say possible the nppl grandstands commentator should begin doing what PSP (the smart parts televised tournament) where they explain positions, rules, etc so people understand everything a little better.
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I will address your points in the order that they appear:

1) Huntington Beach is also a private venue. It costs NPPL a lot of money to reserve portions of the beach for large venues such as NPPL HB. So a solution to your point would be to have announcers talking about information of what is going on to help non ballers understand what they are watching. If you are trying to "expand the sport" what will holding events at actual paintball fields accomplish? besides completely wiping the option of introducing new people to the sport off the menu.

2) I live in southern CA so I know of all the fields out here. I am talking about not simply the amount of fields, but parking space and venue space. USPL held an event at a local field one season and if you remember what happened there.... nothing! There was a total of about 30 spectators all event. The whole idea of having venues at non "already established" fields is how you expand the sport. REFER TO #1 ABOVE.

3) So you agree with me on point 3 about how holding an event in a large public location is more of an "aww" factor for new people to paintball than a paintball field? Which by the way... if you hold an event at a paintball field the 1000s of foot traffic WONT BE THERE!! Only the 50-100 paintballers who are within an hr drive will be there.

4) You agree with me again. The loss of NPPL HB, or other major city venues would hurt the "tourist money income" to the city where the tournament is being held. So why does this make you think that NPPL should stray away from tourism cities? According to your statement you want to take away money from the NPPL and cities hosting the events.

5) The portion that is selfish is the fact that you are only inputting your personal opinion on the matter and not taking a step back like I am to really understand and see what it is that I am talking about. You need to see the whole picture(which I am addressing).
I don’t really want to argue semantics about private and non private. Just because NPPL pays to hold a location in a public place does not mean it is private. If it was "private" people would have been restricted from watching from the pier and beach side. The whole point I was trying to make is that "non ballers" are not going to pay to watch. So if you are not going to take advantage of that foot traffic you may as well hold the tournament at a PB park.

Bottom Line is charging people to watch ultimately limits growth...
Limiting vendors in what they can and cannot sell limits growth...
Not supporting players (with techs and support) kills participation...

If you have been participating in these events as long as I have you know all of this by just looking at the turn out for the events. Every year it gets worse and worse. Everyone that has posted in this forum has said something the effect of "I played and had a lot of fun, but..."

That but.... is what is killing NPPL. The down turn in participation and tournament support has nothing to do with my opinion, its fact.
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Old 04-02-2012, 06:23 PM #29
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I don’t really want to argue semantics about private and non private. Just because NPPL pays to hold a location in a public place does not mean it is private. If it was "private" people would have been restricted from watching from the pier and beach side. The whole point I was trying to make is that "non ballers" are not going to pay to watch. So if you are not going to take advantage of that foot traffic you may as well hold the tournament at a PB park.

Bottom Line is charging people to watch ultimately limits growth...
Limiting vendors in what they can and cannot sell limits growth...
Not supporting players (with techs and support) kills participation...

If you have been participating in these events as long as I have you know all of this by just looking at the turn out for the events. Every year it gets worse and worse. Everyone that has posted in this forum has said something the effect of "I played and had a lot of fun, but..."

That but.... is what is killing NPPL. The down turn in participation and tournament support has nothing to do with my opinion, its fact.
please next time quote the entirety of what i say before responding. you deleted the last part where i talk about how everything is free at events except for a grandstand spot. this meaning you can watch paintball and see everything perfectly fine for free. thank you.

and to ur point... holding an event at a paintball field so it receives ZERO FOOT TRAFFIC significantly limits growth. What people can sell and not sell at events is being driven by more than just NPPL. PSP and the major companies have a major role in that decision as well. If Planet Eclipse said "hey we want to participate for the upcoming event," i GUARANTEE you NPPL would say "we would love to have you."

I will agree with you though on the notion that there are definately things NPPL needs to change/add/take away.
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In response to some of the posts above, HB might give the NPPL a percentage for holding the event there because it generated (2007) 4.1 million in the economy. I know that a city has given PSP money for holding their event there.
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I know there is a great concern about being charged to watch/sit in the stands but they looked pretty damn busy to me. I didnt see a huge empty section. It seemed that most people who wanted to watch paid and had fun. Will it limit growth? Probably not, its a sport. If you want to watch, you pay.

I personally thought the event was great (besides my team not doing better). The refs did a great job, things ran smooth as can be. Overall it was another great HB tournament.
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man some times I only see trolls on here.

NPPL did everything they could to put together a AWESOME EVENT! My team didn't win a huge amount, actually TBH All we did was make a name for ourselves but we won't sit there and pick out only the bad of the event. The sport in general needs to advance as a whole so lets do that not try and
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Just a thought, we want non-players to SEE paintball in order to, hopefully, pique their interest and get them to be players and grow the sport, right?
Would be seeing the top level of the sport accomplish this?
When my field holds an event of D6 thru D4 teams our rec-ball biz suffers because as they pull in they think that that's who they'll be playing against.
I'm not saying hide these events, just that it may not be worth arguing over whether it's promoting the sport in the way some claim it is.
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Just a thought, we want non-players to SEE paintball in order to, hopefully, pique their interest and get them to be players and grow the sport, right?
Would be seeing the top level of the sport accomplish this?
When my field holds an event of D6 thru D4 teams our rec-ball biz suffers because as they pull in they think that that's who they'll be playing against.
I'm not saying hide these events, just that it may not be worth arguing over whether it's promoting the sport in the way some claim it is.
well u cant really hold UWL at HB but i do agree that watching tournament paintball can be a tad bit intimidating, but ohhh man is it a rush compared to recball lol
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I don't see how hosting events at fields would help raise awareness for the sport. Cuz the people that would be aware and care enough to attend are already involved. Places like HB and Vegas have the advantage of not only attracting the attention of locals who may be wandering by, but also numerous people from out of town who come to these places to spend their weekend idling around.

As far as charging for grandstands, they were more or less full during pro games, so letting people in for free wouldnt increase viewership by too much. Lowering the prices a bit might help though.

I do agree is hurting the sport is this not so little 3 way power play between vendors/PSP/NPPL. This kind of jockeying is detrimental to an industry in need of growth. I dislike there being two major national leagues in this country. With NPPL taking on the Race-To format and the line between the two blurring, I see no real reason not to merge the two. Hell merge them and have 8 events every year. Or the pro teams need to decide which one to align with and which one to forsake so that one can emerge as the leader of the industry like UFC did for MMA.

Most importantly, the booze. HB was gaining a reputation locally as a place thats swimming in alcohol and plagued with public drunkeness (which was exactly what was going on). The police responded by really cracking down on it, and there was a point when a lot of Main Street bars/restaurants lost their liquor licenses. I can tell you from personal experience that the cops have a zero tolerance policy for alcohol on the beach and will hit you with the maximum penalty. There were uniformed cops up in VIP for the entire event. Having several hundred hammered PB fans run around the city all weekend is a sure fire way to get us banned from the city in the future.
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As someone said the grandstands were pretty full whenever the pros were playing so charging for admission isn't much of an issue.

However, they should make it easier for passer-by's to get admission to the grandstands and make it more of a non paintballer friendly event. Signs and selling the wristbands at the ramp would have helped.
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$10 a ticket? Go to a football,nba, or hockey game and get that price you idiots if it were more like the NFL or NBA or NHL then they would of charged more.

NPPL gives out cash prizes so they have to make some money to pay there staff,location, new score boards, and other things.

3 fields were out there because there was only enough teams that 3 fields were needed.

I dont know if you were there on sunday but HOLY ****! Was it packed with THOUSANDS of people enjoying our sport. Do you know how many people were watching D2 games from the Pier? ALOT!

NPPL ran a great tournament and yes there were some flaws but tell me a paintball tournament where someone didnt *****? PSP,NPPL, Millenium, wcppl, vicious series you name it someone will ***** so just get over it and wait for the next tournament and dont go in with a bad attitude.
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the Pier was packed fri, sat, and sun also those small bleaches next to field 2 & 3 was full. when me and my team mates was heading back home we was on a shuttle bus to the airport people on that bus watched the tournament so we as paintballers do have the public watching for free, just not watching the pros they can watch for free which is fair. besides its only 10 bucks and the stands was full. try go see some pros from other sports for 10 bucks that aint gonna happen.
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$10 a ticket? Go to a football,nba, or hockey game and get that price you idiots if it were more like the NFL or NBA or NHL then they would of charged more.
Hahah went to the clippers game for $4
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Hahah went to the clippers game for $4
Before they got Grifffin and Paul im asssuming? haha and that was probable 3rd deck
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Before they got Grifffin and Paul im asssuming? haha and that was probable 3rd deck
Nope went to see them saturday once we finished playing
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