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Old 03-18-2012, 03:09 PM #1
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ccm'd orracle issue

Ok so I made my oracle into a pump put ccm internals ccm pump kit has a palmers stabalizer reg...she worked flawlessly for months no issues...then just recently I aired her up at the field and got roll outs...I tried adjusting the velocity and the reg...the best I can get is about 15-20 feet before the ball just drops off...any idea what can cause this?!?!
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Old 03-18-2012, 03:55 PM #2
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If you're getting rollouts, use a smaller bore barrel. If you mean you're getting low velocity, sweetspot the reg, see if that helps.
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:01 PM #3
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I had this problem with one of my pumps last fall and it went away after I cleaned and oiled the valve and reg then sweet spotted the reg again.
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:03 PM #4
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Sorry...what I meant by rollouts are the velocity is so low the ball would be pushed just hard enough to roll out the barrel...I tried to sweet spot the reg as well can't get it to shoot further than 15-20 feet
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:05 PM #5
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do you know what pressure your reg is at?
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I had this problem with one of my pumps last fall and it went away after I cleaned and oiled the valve and reg then sweet spotted the reg again.
Good deal bro I lost my valve tool New one will be in any day ill def try that
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:08 PM #7
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do you know what pressure your reg is at?
No I don't have a guage on my reg
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:18 PM #8
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hmm well without a gauge I guess I would just wait for the valve tool then clean and oil everything. Also check all the o-rings for damage.
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If an o ring was damaged wouldn't it leak? Ya ill def try that when my tool comes
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:19 PM #10
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Is your bolt upside down?
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:20 PM #11
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i'm pretty sure the only orings are around your valve body, which would cause audible leaking.

i would zero out the regs, turn your IVG 2 full turns from flush, then adjust your reg from there.
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Old 03-18-2012, 06:52 PM #12
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Lol no my bolt is not upside down and I did that too I've played with the reg from turned up all the way to all the way down ...the only way I can even get a ball to get any distance is with the ivg all the way in
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Is your bolt upside down?
this was my first thought, but if you are sure this isnt it then most likely the reg is turned up to high so you are way past your sweetspot and not alowing the valve to open up fully. thats why you have to counter act that by having the IVG turned all the way in. if you played with the reg and went all the way up and all the way down with the same results and no fluctuation then the reg is malfunctioning and letting all the air dump directly from your tank

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Old 03-18-2012, 10:35 PM #14
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this was my first thought, but if you are sure this isnt it then most likely the reg is turned up to high so you are way past your sweetspot and not alowing the valve to open up fully. thats why you have to counter act that by having the IVG turned all the way in. if you played with the reg and went all the way up and all the way down with the same results and no fluctuation then the reg is malfunctioning and letting all the air dump directly from your tank
Hmm interesting...I'm going to swap the reg see if that works
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i just read that this was a palmers stab... this happened to me years ago when my stab went bad. thats how i learned about what was going on. it also helped that i put a gauge on the thing to see what what the reg was doing and causing my marker to do what it did
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i just read that this was a palmers stab... this happened to me years ago when my stab went bad. thats how i learned about what was going on. it also helped that i put a gauge on the thing to see what what the reg was doing and causing my marker to do what it did
Bro no homo I love you...just swapped my reg thing shoots flawless...now the issue is I know nothing about regs...anything I can fix on it or should I send it in to palmers??..do you remember the problem on yours? And thanks again!
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i remembered i got a rebuild kit, swapped out the parts and it did the same thing after awhile. i was gonna send it in to palmers, but never got around to it and forgot about it. its still in one of my parts boxes.
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Dang kinda crazy...I have a stabalizer on my other gun never had an issue with it I've had it for years....lucky for me I'm local palmers shop is like 15 min from me...thanks again for the help
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another thing i found out with the stab. that i had on my old pump. there are hp, regular and lp stabs, the HP works but you cant turn it down low enough for most snipers. i replaced the internals with regular ranged internals and she shot like a dream. everything is available from palmers website and its not very expensive.

Also a teammate had the same issue 3 weeks ago, and his reg pressures were 600 plus, the was a torn oring letting unregged pressure into the gun causeing the valve not to open.
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Ya I took the reg to palmers they tested it and it works and pressurized just fine...I havnt had a chance to put it back on the gun yet...low pressure kit mite be somethin to look attho thx
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when ever i'd rebuild it it would work fine for about half the day then all of a sudden creep up to 800psi
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