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Old 03-08-2012, 03:44 PM #1
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Exclamation J Is Clutch Is A Scammer!!!! Do Not Deal With Him!!

I bought a JT Flex from J is Clutch. It was supposed to be in "almost new" condition. When i received it, the parts were all separated and smushed into a small box. Additionally, the frames were stained, lenses scratched, soft ears ripped, and most importantly the bottoms were chopped horribly, all of which wasn't disclosed. After not replying to my messages for 3 days, he found out that I posted a thread in the "Talk to Mods" forum about him, and finally started trying to settle the problem. I offered him two solutions: refund my payment plus $10 for shipping, or refund $25 to buy new bottoms and soft ears. After denying that anything was wrong with the mask for awhile, he came to the conclusion that he would only refund $15, which isn't even enough to buy new bottoms, let alone the ears. I have left negative feedback, filed a PayPal claim, and have now posted this to ensure that nobody else has to deal with this immature, unprofessional jerk. Here's the screenshots after I complained about the issues:




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Old 03-08-2012, 03:57 PM #2
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you're going to have to post screen shots and follow the stickies otherwise this will be closed by a Mod
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:01 PM #3
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you're going to have to post screen shots and follow the stickies otherwise this will be closed by a Mod
i know. I'm working on it. thanks though
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:38 PM #4
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paypal will require that you ship it back to him (and provide tracking info) before they will refund your money.
You'll be out the shipping cost but get the rest of your money back.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:11 PM #5
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paypal will require that you ship it back to him (and provide tracking info) before they will refund your money.
You'll be out the shipping cost but get the rest of your money back.
alright, thanks. is there anything that i could do to not have to pay return shipping, and if i have to, is there any other further actions i can/should take against the guy? he is more than slightly a jerk
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:44 PM #6
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if you did "item not as described" you might be able to request a partial refund (as you already did from the seller that he refused).

I'm not really sure how that would work though.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:50 PM #7
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Im giving him his refund. He payed 35 and he keeps on requesting 45. I offered to take the mask back, he said only if you pay me 45. I did nothing to scam you bro.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:51 PM #8
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Hes just mad because I threatened to file a police report when he said he refuses to give me my mask back unless I give him 45.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:54 PM #9
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if you did "item not as described" you might be able to request a partial refund (as you already did from the seller that he refused).

I'm not really sure how that would work though.
yeah haha i did but this guy^ refused. ill just escalate the claim and will have my money back and he can keep his feedback
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:10 PM #10
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ohhhhh, i figured out my problem. this "guy" is an immature kid. trying to settle the problem with his parents. thanks man for your help though
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:20 PM #11
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yeah haha i did but this guy^ refused. ill just escalate the claim and will have my money back and he can keep his feedback
You will be required to provide proof to paypal you shipped the mask back and you will have to pay for it yourself. Your posts about "Is there anyway I can do something to not pay" and J is Clutch's statement about you trying to get more money out of him than you paid is looking rather sketchy to me. You were wronged in the deal, yes but that does not entitle you to make unreasonable demands.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:23 PM #12
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You will be required to provide proof to paypal you shipped the mask back and you will have to pay for it yourself. Your posts about "Is there anyway I can do something to not pay" and J is Clutch's statement about you trying to get more money out of him than you paid is looking rather sketchy to me. You were wronged in the deal, yes but that does not entitle you to make unreasonable demands.
do something to not have to pay for return shipping is what i said. and i don't see how that is unreasonable or sketchy.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:24 PM #13
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You will be required to provide proof to paypal you shipped the mask back and you will have to pay for it yourself. Your posts about "Is there anyway I can do something to not pay" and J is Clutch's statement about you trying to get more money out of him than you paid is looking rather sketchy to me. You were wronged in the deal, yes but that does not entitle you to make unreasonable demands.
and additionally, he is not refunding my money.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:41 PM #14
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J is Clutch wont pay me 30$ that he owed for a repair for a marker that wasnt working. This isnt his first falsely descripted item
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:46 PM #15
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J is Clutch wont pay me 30$ that he owed for a repair for a marker that wasnt working. This isnt his first falsely descripted item
well, thats not good either. looks like its time for you to leave neg feedback. ill send the link to this thread to a mod and see what happens
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:58 PM #16
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This is something the two of you will have to work out.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:02 PM #17
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:33 PM #18
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As has been stated before, PayPal will require you to ship the item back (on your dime) before they'll refund you your money. So the best case scenario is you'll get $25 back out of the refund.
If the seller will give you a partial refund of $15 - $20 and you get to keep the mask you might be better off.
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Old 03-09-2012, 01:42 AM #19
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J is Clutch wont pay me 30$ that he owed for a repair for a marker that wasnt working. This isnt his first falsely descripted item
did you start a thread regarding that deal?
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:15 PM #20
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pic of the flex in question? eaitherway just let paypal refund the money,return the flex, send it parcel w a tracking #, as cheap as it gets.
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Old 03-09-2012, 08:30 PM #21
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pic of the flex in question? eaitherway just let paypal refund the money,return the flex, send it parcel w a tracking #, as cheap as it gets.
theres not really a point in posting pics, but he finally admitted that they were in bad condition. and I plan to haha
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