[Droideka]

Originally Posted by Lil Roundhouse

Im curious what you guys have to say about this article.

I still dont really know what my views are about this, i feel like I know what they should be and maybe its just being a 20 y/o male that makes it so easy to see both sides.

Yeah, the 80% statistic might be due to the polling groups, etc.

Of my unmarried friends under age 25, I'd probably say the number is closer to 10%. At 21, I'm still a virgin and glad of it. All but a handful of my (unmarried) friends still are.

The key, I think is this:

"Of those surveyed who self-identify as “evangelical,” 80 percent say they have had sex."

A lot of the "Self-identifiers" are what make the difference. People under the "Evangelical" term is very broad, and generally includes more liberal Christians than people that identify themselves as more traditionally conservative groups.


tl;dr: Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think the number is artificially high due to their polling criterion. I've seen other polls that poll individual groups that have lower active unmarried sex levels.

[RLN]

I think Droideka has a point with regards to this article. But it still doesn't change the fact that many Christians struggle and fail when it comes to the Christian teachings on sexuality and relationships. Honestly if we look at most of the problems faced by families and individuals in todays society it can be traced to our "lack of understanding" or "misunderstanding" of sexuality and the value of a person as God sees it. As many of you know, I am Catholic but I honestly hope you'll take a look at this website and at the resources it contains regarding this issue:
http://chastity.com/

Try clicking on the research pane - library at the top and there is excellent list of articles surrounding this subject including statistics from other sources that say the opposite.

"The essence of chastity consists in quickness to affirm the value of the person in every situation and in raising to the personal level all reactions to the value of 'the body and sex'" (p. 171). Love & Responsibility - Karol Wojtyla (aka Pope John Paul II)


"Only the chaste man and the chaste woman are capable of true love. For chastity frees their association, including marital intercourse, from that tendency to use a person . . . and by so freeing it introduces into their life together and their sexual relationship a special disposition to 'loving kindness.'" (p. 171). Love & Responsibility - Karol Wojtyla (aka Pope John Paul II)

[procyonwarrior]

Droid has a great point actually! Never even thought about that. I do have to agree with the article about how we view marriage. It is something of convenience now that something of an urgency. One of the main reasons why I broke up with my gf, after over three years of dating, is the fact that she didn't want to get married until she had her masters done. marriage was not convenient for her at that point of time so I said ok well bye. I was ready and wanted to share in a relationship with her because you can only have so much of a relationship when you date or even court.

[vijil]

its all in how they identify evangelical. while studies claim to show that divorce rates are no better among Christians, if you look at actively church going Christians the statistics are completely different.

[xDarkk]

Goodmorning cru! Hope everything is going well!

school is kicking by butt this semester! first actual challenging semester I've had so far. Fun but not fun at the same time.

Procyon: I understand the gf thing. My gf and I have been dating for over 3 years now. It sucks because we are both ready to get married, but being in school, and going to school 2-2.5hrs apart would make it impossible lol. It makes things very tempting and hard sometimes when we are together and it sucks. I think that dating for so long is typically a bad thing, that's why I had us go to different schools. I knew that neither of us, or our families, could afford for us to get married while in college. So your move was a good one in my opinion lol. After dating for three years, it feels like youve just kind of stalled, or are just floating. Waiting to start the next chapter of life....but cant lol.

[markcheb]

Howdy Krew.

Andrew - If it helps, my wife and I dated for 3yrs before we married. She was finishing college in Texas and I lived in Mi at the time. This may we'll have been married 14 yrs. But at the time we also knew that we both wanted the relationship to progress in this direction. Trust me there's a whole lotta life after college to be lived and or shared, and now it seems like 3,4 or even 5 yrs can go by in a blink. I would say just continue building the foundation in your relationship, and if it doesn't work out you'll have this experience for the next one, if it does then when the time comes for the next "building phase" of your relationship you'll have a solid foundation to build upon.


Anyways I don't do relationship stuff/advice ......

...go to a chick site for that.

[vijil]

Speaking of girls I've been kinda dating a girl for about a month now. More just hanging out lots than anything... but it seems we're going to pull the plug because we're too different theologically. She follows Bill Johnson (Bethel church) - so is all about Kingdom Now theology, sign gifts, lots of prophecy and tongues and healings and falling over and laughing and yadayada. Even gold teeth and dust.

I on the other hand think Bill is pretty much a loony. I also have major issues believing 90% of the stories I hear about that sort of supernatural stuff, and I and my friends have personally had some bad experiences with it. I can't deny those gifts scripturally for the church today, but it's pretty hard to get into it when I believe the vast majority of it is caused by wishful thinking and groupthink.

So it's kinda hard to find spiritual common ground. It sucks... she's otherwise very close to perfect (also hot). Pah. I'm glad we took it slow though and found these things out before becoming official or at all physical. Once you start touching regularly there are various brain chemicals (mainly oxytocin) in action that make breaking up oh so much harder. Unnecessarily so.

It's funny, I know so many people who met someone at a party, slept together, got into a relationship, maybe even had a kid, and *then* realised they weren't a good match. All because they took it too fast and spammed themselves with oxytocin so they couldn't see the truth staring them in the face. There is no such thing as meaningless sex. And the world says we're silly for restraining ourselves...

PS lol mark just noticed your sig... shame paintballs aren't still oil based!

[markcheb]

my wife doesn't really like my Calvanistic (sp?) leanings....

she's coming around.

[RLN]

Hey Krew,
I just wanted to know if everyone is aware of the Health and Human Service (HHS) mandate that Obama is forcing down our throats. If not I ask you to please be aware and to join me in solidarity in prayer and actively fighting a blatant disregard to religious rights. This is bigger than the Catholic Church and it's teachings on contracepton and abortion. It goes beyond that tenet of the Catholic Church as it involves all Christian denominations, all religions....basically when you think about it...it affects every US citizen because it's about our freedoms. Once the government is able to tell and force a religious group(s) to go against what it believes our freedoms and rights are violated and basically thrown out the door. Once religious freedom is thrown out the door then what other freedoms will be next?

[xDarkk]

Originally Posted by markcheb

my wife doesn't really like my Calvanistic (sp?) leanings....

she's coming around.

haha

RLN I've been hearing about it, I haven't read too far into it though. But I do agree that it does violate some constitutional rights.

[procyonwarrior]

just saw your post xdarkxx about school and gf stuff. Keep the faith brother remember its time for God to help you grow in your faith. send your gf some glow in the dark stars and she will love you forever. it works trust me

[procyonwarrior]

Vigil if she's hot and believes in Jesus what difference does her theology matter???????? just kidding. Tap the Bible on her forehead three times every day you see her and the truth will be infused in her soul. Mark, you can do the same but since you are already married you will need to tap the bible 7 times on the forehead.


This entire health care thing is really a joke. You know I have no health ins. I have something for major things things like broken leg or something but for small stuff I have nothing. Why? Because in the end its cheaper!!!!! The local health care place gives me a 50% discount because of having no health ins. For what I need done its cheaper because there are no premiums and no co-pays.

[vijil]

procyon - yeah I think the same. It's a bigger deal for her than it is for me though. Bill Johnson has essentially said that people who disagree with him on his interpretation of the Spirit are useless as Christians, and some of that thinking seems to be in her too. Essentially it means her whole idea of what it means to be a Christian is different. I might as well be a Mormon.

Ack but she's so freaking cute... I might need to move cities to get away :p

[RLN]

Personally for me I think it would be difficult marrying someone if we were not on the same page with regards to our faith. Not saying it won't work because I'm sure there a lot of people who have have been able to make it work. Another added challenge is deciding how to raise your children. The more you understand, accept, and share each others views on faith, child rearing, finances, and dealing with daily issues and decisions in life the better your marriage will be. My small advice....try to work these things out before you get married. I've only been married for 3 years but time and time again people have told me you'll always learn something new about your spouse and so far its true. If you learn to have good communication with your future spouse before you get married you'll probably be ahead of the game then most people who get married first and then try to learn how to communicate in their marriage. Just my 2 cents from listening to older couples.

[markcheb]

Originally Posted by procyonwarrior

Mark, you can do the same but since you are already married you will need to tap the bible 7 times on the forehead.

I got two in before she

and now I hafta twice a day.

I'm not listening to you no more.

[xDarkk]

haha that is great

[procyonwarrior]

Originally Posted by markcheb

I got two in before she

and now I hafta twice a day.

I'm not listening to you no more.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[xDarkk]

Good morning all! Head to church here in a bit. God Bless

[RLN]

Finally got to play this weekend. The PM7 w/ULd frame I recently picked up worked great. Still miss my phantom but alas..no pump games out here anymore. I wore a "Jesus Freaks" jersey that I picked up on the BST forums a year or so ago. One of the rec players a military guy came up to me and said "so I take it your a believer" and I said "yup!". He said "cool, so am I" and then he shook my hand and said "cool jersey." We didn't talk much after that as I was playing with the xball crowd while he along with other adults were playing some speedball rec games with a bunch of kids. Probably children whose parents are in the military.

When I get extra cash I need to get me one of those Christ Krew headbands for sure.

[duos_scythe]

Anyone have their ears pierced?

[procyonwarrior]

Originally Posted by duos_scythe

Anyone have their ears pierced?

now thats a out of the left field question. me in particular no.