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Old 11-09-2011, 06:05 PM #22
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i wouldn't be looking into an electronic marker if i were you. maybe look into a really nice mechanical autococker? those will run just fine on co2, granted you are using an anti-siphon tube. they'll also work just fine without the anti-siphon tube, but it is a good idea to use one no matter what marker you are running co2 through.

you won't be out of firepower compared to everyone else in your area because like someone else said if you can't easily get HPA then neither can anyone else, which will mean nobody else will have an electronic marker. any electronic marker that is able to run straight co2 won't be that much better compared to a mech autococker. there could be a few people who have a scuba tank setup though.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:04 PM #23
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Apparently nobody has heard of one of Smart Part's last guns...
The Vibe

I suggested this gun to my friend when he was first getting into the sport and he loved it. It's always been advertised to be able to shoot it with Co2 as well as HPA. There is actually a mode for Co2 to be ran in, it's either a switch on the board or a mode you have to go into, I don't recall. My friend even started upgrading his a little here and there so it can easily compare to the Ion & SP1 in this aspect. Many of their upgrades are even compatible with each other such as their bolts, but they also have a virtue board available for it.

Also, I just stumbled upon this: GoG eXTCy & GoG eNVy
GoG is the company which took over SmartParts, as you can see their guns are very similiar... & with this option you'd be sticking with a company that is in business, so I'd say it's a better call. Plus, the eXTCy comes with a blackheart board out of the box as does the upgraded eNVy.


Now running Co2 in any gun isn't recommended in general just because it's going to put more wear and tear on your gun and you'll probably have to replace o-rings a little more often as well. So just as you have already been told numerous times, get an ANTISIPHON tank!

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Old 11-09-2011, 07:32 PM #24
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i wouldn't be looking into an electronic marker if i were you. maybe look into a really nice mechanical autococker? those will run just fine on co2, granted you are using an anti-siphon tube. they'll also work just fine without the anti-siphon tube, but it is a good idea to use one no matter what marker you are running co2 through.

you won't be out of firepower compared to everyone else in your area because like someone else said if you can't easily get HPA then neither can anyone else, which will mean nobody else will have an electronic marker. any electronic marker that is able to run straight co2 won't be that much better compared to a mech autococker. there could be a few people who have a scuba tank setup though.
My experience with autocockers was very different. Except in hot weather, my autocockers' 3-way valves would begin to leak or freeze up during rapid fire on CO2, even on my anti-siphoned 16oz I was using at the time.

Tippmanns and other blowbacks have better all-weather capability on CO2 and are better beginner guns besides because of their simplicity.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:35 PM #25
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it depends on what regulators you have. the older wgp regs (pre-2k) handled co2 much better than the newer ones. my 1998 autococker shot great on straight co2 at any ROF in any type of weather new england can throw at us.

if you're drawing liquid with an anti-siphon tube then you're either holding the gun at some wacky angles or the tube is installed wrong.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:38 PM #26
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I would have been using two regulators, my stock 1998 reg that came with my 1998 cocker and a 2000+ ergo reg on my Superbolt (before I converted it).

I'm positive that the tube was installed in the right direction, but even if gaseous CO2 was entering the valve it can re-condense inside or downstream of the regulator if it's cold enough and the vapor is flowing fast enough.

I had pretty fast fingers back then.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:18 AM #27
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I have a GOG G-1 (Same thing as smart parts SP-1 and internally the same as the Envy/eXTCY/Vibe) and it runs flawlessly off an un-siphoned CO2 tank. Although, I wouldn't recommend emptying a hopper at a time...the regulator can get pretty cold when fired automatic.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:19 PM #28
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In reality , any gun can run off of co2. I've run my Viking off co2 without major issues. Granted I used 2 regulators and a remote to protect the solenoid, but it is possible. I couldn't shoot as fast bc co2 can't recharge the valve as fast as hpa... But I still had fun.

In this sport you will run into lots of people that tell you that you "need" this or that. The truth is that to have fun you only need a gun that shoots,a mask, and a group of people that dont cheat. Everything else is fluff.
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Old 11-11-2011, 04:26 PM #29
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As far as markers go, you can run any of them off HPA as long as you have a remote line or a siphon tube in the tank. You must not get ANY liquid CO2 into the marker or else you will destroy it.

Now, there are lower end markers which are electros and semis and run quite well off CO2.

Spyders, Azodins, Proto (not the Reflex), and those lower end markers run off CO2 quite fine.

One thing I would do, if you use an electronic marker on CO2, is upgrade it a bit so you don't have to fix a ****ty valve seal leak or something like that every other week.

1: respring it. If it's a stacked tube blowback like an Azodin or Spyder setup, it's nice to have a lower tube which won't knock the **** out if itself. That can lend to low FPS and inconsistencies, which is why when swapping springs out, one should pay attention to properly pairing the springs and the valve.
If you have the cash, you could pick up an Azodin Blitz (used) and drop in a MaddMann Rocket, NDZ SS, or AKA Tornado valve (all 11/16ths) in there, and with a light valve and a medium striker spring, you can still have higher FPS shots, but with a much more durable and efficient system. Oh yeah, and it'll be smoother and more consistent as well... Kind of like a current high end marker like an Ego. I wouldn't say a G6r or Creed, because those are actually really smooth and consistent shooters.


With spool valves like the Rail and Ion XE/eXTCy, I'd suggest buying a nice oring kit. Don't get the typical Orings, but some HNBR or Xring Orings. Those withstand much colder temperatures without the issue of drying up or cracking. (Xrings should only be used on moving parts, and have the ability to retain lubricants a bit longer, so they're a bit lower maintenance as well).

Finally, ALWAYS have some grease and oil for your marker. Just to keep things running smoothly and without any issues.
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Old 11-12-2011, 09:43 PM #30
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Old 02-05-2012, 05:40 PM #31
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Here's your answer...CO2 even on guns that supposedly work with it still is less than wonderful. I used CO2 powered guns for years, but when I switched to air I never looked back. Do you want a bunch of 20oz co2 bottles? I think I have 8 or 10 that will never see use again.

Get a small 3000psi compressor of your own. You can sell air to all your friends and fill your bottles too.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:42 PM #32
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it sounds to me like you can make a little come up selling air. Get a little fill station going!
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:19 PM #33
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I hear ions runs well on CO2, I've never dared to try though.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:25 PM #34
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I hear ions runs well on CO2, I've never dared to try though.
I would never try this.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:36 PM #35
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Back in the day I used to run my Classic Impulses on co2 all the time. I would shoot 7 pods + a hopper every game and it never skipped a beat.

Now my dedicated co2 gun is a Zenith. Even if you over pressurize it with liquid co2....its just a spyder clone and it doesn't hurt it.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:27 PM #36
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Ions ran fine on CO2. Problem was people didn't use anti-siphon CO2 tanks.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:25 PM #37
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I would look into azodin, or get an E2 autococker.
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Sp Solenoids exploded under co2. How many dead ions do you recall? I recall a MILLION OF THEM.

PB Player - I think you should check out the option of two palmers regs and antisiphoning.
They all ran fine on CO2 with an anti-siphon tank. Extra regs won't hurt but are not required.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:53 PM #39
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My suggestion would be to purchase three(3) 68cuf scuba tanks and at least one fill station like this one: Link

Then, to get a decent shop air compressor like this one: Link

And last, but not at all least, a ShoeBox 4500psi "step up" compressor... Link

I know, this seems like an awful lot of money to spend. But, using the three scuba tanks in a cascade fill setup can stretch the number of high pressure fills out quite a bit. You can use this tool to help you figure out how many fills you'll get. It's possible you could recoup some of the money you spent by selling HPA fills to you other friends. Well, that's just my two cents.
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I would look into azodin, or get an E2 autococker.
An electric cocker is just as susceptible to damage from liquid CO2 as any other marker with a pneumatic solenoid (solenoid valve). While the air is twice regulated before it gets to the solenoid, it's still very sensitive.

My suggestion would just be to get an anti-siphon for your CO2 tank and a good regulator (Palmers, AKA, etc.). Alternatively, look for a mech Cocker and just enjoy it. You can pick them up for dirt cheap and they're a joy to shoot.
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Anything with a relief valve should save your solenoid from overpressurizing, which was the problem with co2 none of this oring freezing nonesense... rubber freezing lol


Btw ENVYs, EXTCYs, VIBEs, and EOSs all work great on co2. I've used it on the later two without an anti-siphon and it worked flawlessly
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:13 AM #42
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i have an azodin blitz, is it ok to run this on co2? i dont have an anti siphon tank...what would a palmers reg do for it? can i just buy the anti siphon hose kits and have a tech at my paintball shop install it or does it have to be professionally done
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