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Old 12-13-2011, 07:12 AM #1
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Eyes work, fires like they don't? Stumped.

Here is my issue:

I have in my possession a Karni with an E2 board, everything else is stock on it (MP4, Tickler, WGP HPR etc etc etc).

This issue is when firing with the eyes on, it acts as if it doesn't see something in the breech. I checked eye sensitivity, so the eye works. I even (for giggles) verified with a known working eye. Under eye sensitivity, I stick my finger in and it goes to high 90%.

Firing with the eyes off, it works perfectly.

I even reset the settings to factory fast, and get the same behavior.

I am TRYING to get this fixed for a friend, but this specific problem has me stumped. I don't want to just give him the mass settings from WGP
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Sear on - 4
C Delay - 6
C on - 35
C/t out - 1
C off - 24

Filters

Ball - 2
Empty - 2
Pull - 1
Rel - 1
TT band - 37%
TT Tol - 42%
And tell him to just use it without eyes.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:13 PM #2
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does it give you a reading with the pb you are using?
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:40 PM #3
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Yea, it's was a little under the reading I got for my finger.
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:16 PM #4
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can you swap out the board and see if the board is the issue?

what's the reading if you take off the eye from the body and putting your finger near it?
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:32 PM #5
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I have no board to swap it with. The only other options I have are a Pred. flash SF board, and a SR board.

Eye reading is about the same, 94-95.
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the ball is not moving to where the eye can not detect it?

cocking noid and sear noid wires are not reverse?
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:26 PM #7
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Cocker eyes have issues reading black, dark blue/purple, and anything you would think of as dark shelled.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:59 PM #8
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What color is the karnivor body? I've had to up the eye sensitivity to 65 on lighter colored guns.
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Old 12-13-2011, 03:40 PM #9
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I don't know what did it... But she is working now on factory fast. I have eye sensitivity at 50%, the paint is dxs light blue skulls with yellow/green fill, and it is a blue bodied karni.

I still have to break her down and unswell this bolt, but at least the eyes work now.

Appreciate all the help.
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I don't know what did it... But she is working now on factory fast. I have eye sensitivity at 50%, the paint is dxs light blue skulls with yellow/green fill, and it is a blue bodied karni.

I still have to break her down and unswell this bolt, but at least the eyes work now.

Appreciate all the help.

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Old 12-13-2011, 04:35 PM #11
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on mine keeping the eye sensitivity on 59% seemed to work best for me, and i had to actually turn it down to the 30's for dark shelled paint, just for a reference.

also i could never get my c-off below 28 without having to raise the lpr to counter the dropoff i would get.

thos trigger filters look a little bouncy
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Pick a fast loader and run without eyes, I say. Bouncebeam eyes were one of the worst technologies to blow up in the industry, I think.
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Pick a fast loader and run without eyes, I say. Bouncebeam eyes were one of the worst technologies to blow up in the industry, I think.
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Old 12-23-2011, 04:06 PM #14
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That isn't an issue. The issue is giving a 100% working gun to someone when I promised to fix it for them.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:20 PM #15
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Check the reading with the bolt in place vrs the open breach. Sometimes, the readings of the bolt are close enough to the reading from the paint to confuse the eye systems.
Also make sure there are no gaps, or problems with the eye cover. Exterior light can cause an issue. Check by placing your hand over the eye cover, and shooting. If it improves, check the cover, and the eye hole in the body for gaps.

P.S. Next time, don't promise anything but "I'll take a look at it." Promise more, and you are honor bound to jump through hoops to fix someone else's problem.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:16 AM #16
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I just had a similar situation occur with my gun.

I use a Tadao Board, I dont know how much translates to your board. With the Tadao board I noticed that my eyes with the bolt forward would read 149ish and when it was open the reading was 225ish. So what I did was split the differenceplus a little and set the eye sensitivity from 150 to 200. Now my gun shoots fine. Keep in mind with reflective eyes it can chage from paint to paint, But at the setting I put it to, it covers a pretty wide range of colors. I hope this helps.
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