Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-21-2011, 10:40 PM #1
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
Leak Driving me crazy

So I have found a leak on a Dye Matrix I have...

Its leaking from the noid/manifold area. I have followed the leak guide, swapped out all the orings for the manifold/noid/and back of the lpr. Heres the kicker!

I have swapped noids/ and manifolds every combo of them I can think of. All of the noids/manifolds work great in other bodies but in this body there seems to a leak coming from one side of EVERY noid and manifold combo I put in there.

Aside of just throwing away the body scraping my build does anyone have any Ideas as to why this damn thing is leaking?
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 12-21-2011, 10:50 PM #2
harjukewm
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wisconsin
 has been a member for 10 years
where is the leak exactly, b/w the noid/manifold or the manifold and body? which side is it on?

also, if you don't want to scrape your body, i have a few extra ones
harjukewm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 10:59 PM #3
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
Appears to be between the manifold's and the noids but only in that body. If you are looking down at the top of the noid with the back of the gun pointed at your chest the leak is on the right side. I may have to get a body from you. This is a first for me; mechanically this doesn’t make any sense.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:05 PM #4
harjukewm
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wisconsin
 has been a member for 10 years
if it's between the noid and the manifold then it shouldn't be body independent as you know. your bolt kit is consistent and your lpr too (swapped between the bodies so you know those aren't variables)? if you have a gasket with some lube, and your screws are tight enough, you should be solid. The only other thing is if your frame is putting pressure on the noid i've had leaks due to that, but if you know it's b/w the noid/manifold you probably have the frame off anyways
harjukewm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:10 PM #5
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
I know that the weird part, I can take the exact same manifold and noid and put them in my Image and no leaks. I can also take the noid and manifold out of the Ironmen and put them in the Dye body and it leaks. I dont get it. Maybe the body is bent somehow? I would assume that isnt the case as I can completely build the gun with out any issues. Unless the body is bent where the noid is, but that just seems crazy.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:10 PM #6
Vegard
LOST
 
Vegard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Norđwegr
Vegard is a Supporting Member
Vegard is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Vegard is Boss
That reminds me, better test my matrix body for leaks before milling it
__________________
NORWAY
Feedback-Feedback-Feedback
I'm from Norway and I smell like a Polar Bear
-growing older is mandatory – growing up is optional-
Vegard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:11 PM #7
harjukewm
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wisconsin
 has been a member for 10 years
you are sure your manifold orings are there? and you do have the same bolt kit and lpr you're swapping?
harjukewm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:12 PM #8
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
lol come on Vegard, Do you have any ideas in all your years working with these? I have been working on Trixes for quite some time and I'm completely lost with this one.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:13 PM #9
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
Its a X-93 the LPR is a Aardvark mini trin. The manifold orings are there and I have replaced them thinking that was the problem.

Its deff between the niod and manifold.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:14 PM #10
Vegard
LOST
 
Vegard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Norđwegr
Vegard is a Supporting Member
Vegard is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Vegard is Boss
Well if your different combos of noids and manifolds all leak in that body, but not in others it should stand to reason that the body is to blame. Sounds odd to me that the different combinations would work in other bodies, but not that one without it being the body.

Are there any dings or scratches near the manifold mount?
__________________
NORWAY
Feedback-Feedback-Feedback
I'm from Norway and I smell like a Polar Bear
-growing older is mandatory – growing up is optional-

Last edited by Vegard : 12-21-2011 at 11:17 PM.
Vegard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:16 PM #11
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
not that I can see. Is it possible that the body is slightly twisted or bent? I did just move and the moving company packed everything.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:17 PM #12
harjukewm
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wisconsin
 has been a member for 10 years
did you try using the exact same manifold orings that work in your other guns on the questionable body?
harjukewm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:20 PM #13
Vegard
LOST
 
Vegard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Norđwegr
Vegard is a Supporting Member
Vegard is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Vegard is Boss
That was my other question, sometimes sizes on paper aren't the same sizes in real life. It can differ from o-ring to o-ring.

(Which is why handpicking the o-rings that go on your moving parts can do quite the difference)
__________________
NORWAY
Feedback-Feedback-Feedback
I'm from Norway and I smell like a Polar Bear
-growing older is mandatory – growing up is optional-
Vegard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:28 PM #14
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
K i Will try that. The orings that are in there now are new, I still have old ones so I will swap them all around between two guns and see. If that doesnt work Im in the market for a stock DM, I gotta get reannoed yellow and blue (wolverine) for my little bro. He is coming back from Afganistan soon.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2011, 11:44 PM #15
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
Nope that was a no go, Still leaks. It leaks as if there are no orings on the manifold at all. Like if you took off the gasket on the noid and the 2 orings between the body and the manifold... I bout to say f it and just buy another one.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2011, 02:29 PM #16
mr2tenths
 
 
mr2tenths's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: tracy calif
 has been a member for 10 years
Try doubling the o'ring between the manifold and the body. If the leak stops or changes the way it sounds, then I would say the c'bores in the body for the o'rings are too deep.
mr2tenths is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-22-2011, 02:48 PM #17
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
K will do when I get home.
__________________
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2012, 10:57 AM #18
cliffg8
Geeezer CPPA #1643
 
cliffg8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW Arkansas
cliffg8 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
I saw this problem with an early trix. The area under the manifold was slightly dimpled. I found it by placing a straight edge angled across the area where the manifold mounted. I got it fixed my having a friend run the area under his surface grinder. It left was left bare metal but the leak went away.
cliffg8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2012, 01:41 PM #19
gwhetzler
Bazinga!
 
gwhetzler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Orleans LA
This was actually a LPR Bones sent to me, the Aardvark Mini Trin LPR was bad/Needing repair. It worked in the other gun but not in the one I was trying to get setup. It was really weird.
gwhetzler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2012, 01:58 PM #20
BonesJackson
Legendary
 
BonesJackson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: California
Oh. Woops. I knew one of my Mini Trinities had a leak, so I put that one on a gun and aired it up. It didn't leak on that gun so I assumed that I still had the leaky one. Guess not!
BonesJackson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2012, 05:36 PM #21
cliffg8
Geeezer CPPA #1643
 
cliffg8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW Arkansas
cliffg8 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
So the LPR was over pressurizing the manifold?
cliffg8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
Forum Jump