[Tank Wilson]

Again, this thread could be moved to another sub-forum, but that wouldn't quite reflect the reality of our political landscape. Let me explain to those who need it why homosexuality is not a choice.

If being gay is a choice, that would mean straight people would have to admit they can physically be aroused by the same sex. Did you get that?

That means Joe the Plumber must admit when he sees a man in a speedo, he gets an erection, but it is his choice not to act on his desires. That has got to be the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard come from the GOP, especially Herman Cain.

I had a gay roommate one time I was convinced I could sell him on some sweet vagina. Every time I mentioned vagina, he would yell out "OMG SO NASTY STOP!" I asked him why it grosses him out, and he went on and on about how nasty a vagina is, it almost turned me gay too.

(Some of you dudes know what he's talking about, eh?)

How do you force a man to love vagina? Answer me that, please.

You can't. No amount of Church, hypnosis, hell, even electro-shock therapy can turn a gay man straight.

But, if you still contend that as a straight man, being gay is a choice, then you concede you have achieved an erection at the thought or sight of another man.

Which means you're gay and holding yourself back from good times.

So, now that I've proven to you that being gay is not a choice, what arguments do you have as to why you should oppress and limit the freedoms of your brothers and sisters? You must show your work. Please no scripture.

P.S. I made this meme for you

[Murph1329]

the vag has two jobs
take the d and **** out a baby
it does a VERY good job at both

[SuperSupra619 (Banned)]

It's a sexual perversion, like predators who are attracted to pre-teens. Can they help they're attracted? No

[Angry_Birds]

Originally Posted by SuperSupra619

It's a sexual perversion, like predators who are attracted to pre-teens. Can they help they're attracted? No

There is no arguing that homosexuality is not biologically natural, but you CANNOT seriously be comparing pedophilia to relations between two consenting adults.

[EpShot]

Originally Posted by Angry_Birds

There is no arguing that homosexuality is not biologically natural

that's rather stupid and ignorant to say

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ior_in_animals

homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them

however I'm only away of one species that has a distinct phobia of it.

[da_mink]

i believe that he is using biologically natural in the sense that it is also not biologically natural for albinos to exist, people not to want offspring, ETC

[barrel roll]

An otherwise heterosexual man can develop an emotional, and sexual, relationship with another man.

Its all in your head.

[Tuff]

http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/07/10/...omen-turn-gay/

Those chicks turned gay. Haha

Also:

"Then in 2004, Northwestern University researchers found that both straight and gay females became sexually aroused when they viewed both heterosexual and lesbian porn. The males in the study only got turned on by women."

Lesbians are cool, as long as their hot. Gay guys aren't fun to watch, ever. So we should make it legal to be a lesbian, and not legal to be gay if you are a guy. Everyone is happy. Cept maybe Overbear

[barrel roll]

The study is flawed. Women are raised/programmed differently than men.

[$h@key J0nEZ]

Don't ask, don't tell.

[EpShot]

Originally Posted by da_mink

i believe that he is using biologically natural in the sense that it is also not biologically natural for albinos to exist, people not to want offspring, ETC

except homosexuality occurs with exceptionally greater regularity than albino's(as in orders of magnitude).

[Seahawk6060]

Originally Posted by Tank Wilson

I asked him why it grosses him out, and he went on and on about how nasty a vagina is, it almost turned me gay too.

I get the joke, but at some level you're admitting that there may not be purely genetic origins in every case.

Without actually knowing the scientific facts, I suspect that you're mostly correct. What I've never seen is confirmation that, in fact, being gay is entirely (100%) genetically based and not even, in the smallest way, behavioral. You might be mostly right, but that doesn't count as being completely right. I'd have to see the data; as in a scientific study that finds a genetic marker that accounts for all cases of homosexuality.

So, now that I've proven to you that being gay is not a choice, what arguments do you have as to why you should oppress and limit the freedoms of your brothers and sisters? You must show your work. Please no scripture.

Why is it we keep on adding to our list of victims? Based on all the people given "victim," status, as determined by the progressive left, one would think that the only group that isn't given victim status are white males who play paintball every weekend. The left loves to make the point about how gays tend to make more money, are smarter, and more upwardly mobile, yet in the same breath we're to somehow believe that they're "oppressed" and enjoy only limited "freedom". This absurd "woe is me" narcissism is so petty and superficial that only the most gullible and ignorant of people could actually buy it.

[EpShot]

Originally Posted by Seahawk6060

Why is it we keep on adding to our list of victims? Based on all the people given "victim," status, as determined by the progressive left, one would think that the only group that isn't given victim status are white males who play paintball every weekend. The left loves to make the point about how gays tend to make more money, are smarter, and more upwardly mobile, yet in the same breath we're to somehow believe that they're "oppressed" and enjoy only limited "freedom". This absurd "woe is me" narcissism is so petty and superficial that only the most gullible and ignorant of people could actually buy it.

when they are no longer bullied, beaten are denied rights that have no affect on others(them being married in no way effects anyone else) then they will no longer be oppressed/victims.

[Pail Ail (Banned)]

Please please please don't talk about victimization as if it is something exclusive to the left Seahawk. The left merely shifts focus onto a different group than the right does.

[EpShot]

I would also like to say that personally and as with many people i know that are 'left' of me. Its not about "victimization", its about point out a very real issue and trying to understand it. Once you have an understanding then you can address the root of the problem.

It not that I'm saying oh poor gays, its that i think they shouldn't be discriminated against. I don't think paintballs should be discriminated against either, I just don't see that happening.

[Pail Ail (Banned)]

Also true. Though, quite a few leftists, who aren't well-versed in political philosophy, do make quite a few claims that seem to be about victimization because they are sloppy with their words.

[EpShot]

Originally Posted by Pail Ail

Also true. Though, quite a few leftists, who aren't well-versed in political philosophy, do make quite a few claims that seem to be about victimization because they are sloppy with their words.

and they have plenty of counterparts on the right that do stuff like compare homosexuality to pedophilia

[Pail Ail (Banned)]

So? Is it always left vs right? You said that many of the people you know who are left-leaning (using modern definitions) aren't about victimization, and I added onto that by reminding everyone else here that people can be sloppy with their arguments, making them seem like something they're not. Comparing the natural (to the individual) urges felt by homosexuals and pedophiles is not the same as victimizing different social groups.

[EpShot]

so I was basically saying it was irrelevant. I was making a stance, and you said there were others that were focusing on victimization. Point is it doesn't matter because those people aren't here. (well, they may be, and then we can discuss them and their beliefs)

[drgonzo]

This is actually very similar to a sentiment I regularly share when encountering anti-gay bigotry of the "lifestyle choice" variety -- those who claim it is a choice to be gay should prove it by choosing to be gay for a while.

[$h@key J0nEZ]

I can't help but think there are bigger, more important problems out there to talk about, like the national debt, patriot act, wars and recession etc. I doubt a few fudge packers and carpet munchers are going to be the end of this country.