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Old 10-07-2011, 09:26 AM #1
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Waking up the Forum

This place has been dead.

And that's been ok with Baca pushing out new posts every couple of days and the ProPaintball ****-talk-box talking about all manner of hate.

But Lane just lowered the boom on the haters so it'll be hard to listen to "insider" telling us that a 7-man, raceto 2 format is a done deal. And Baca.... probably the best blog on paintball out there, but he's not usually as this prolific and I don't want to be stuck on VFTB clicking 'refresh' every 2 min waiting.

Sure is lucky (for us all) that some anon poster asked about Marcello. That created three new posts inside of a few days.

I updated the links in the Table of Contents for all the past Threads of the Week. I'll try to update links to the other "Thought Starters" over the weekend. There were some good topics, and I thought about reopening some of them, or creating "retrospectives" to get people talking again.

Instead (or, at least, before I do that), I thought I'd ask for suggestions on new topics for Threads of the Week.

There is a lot going on in paintball. What with the merger rumors, the new-found strength of the PSP, Lane's awesome interview over at ProPaintball. There should be some things we can talk about.

Go check out the old Threads of the Week to get creative juices flowing.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:56 PM #2
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Heres a thought, I would like to hear why some of the upcomig teams (and team owners) would want to go "Pro" in a league whether it be PSP or NPPL, not knowing if it will be around in the fututure. Other than for the pure aspect of playing the best in the world.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:47 AM #3
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I just wanted to make it a point to say more people should be aware of the discussions in this forum. I like to check in on the current topics because I feel like there are a lot of people who are actually involved with the sport in here talking. I think of it as a slower version of VFTD...

Either way, don't stop the talks and get more legitimate people in here talking.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:52 AM #4
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Slower than VFTB? Maybe recently, but historically? Please!
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:57 AM #5
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Heres a thought, I would like to hear why some of the upcomig teams (and team owners) would want to go "Pro" in a league whether it be PSP or NPPL, not knowing if it will be around in the fututure. Other than for the pure aspect of playing the best in the world.
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I think that's a great topic. However, in the past few weeks we've seen two of the teams allegedly considering a move up implode (TKO and Assault). I don't know if Big Jim (Top Gun) posts on PbNation. That leaves Dave and me. And if Dave doesn't post, just me. Which isn't really a thread, so much. But maybe if it was opened up to a more general discussion on what the benefits of moving up are, and then Dave (and I) can post in that thread without needing to stand up in front of it.
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So Assault really is done? That sucks.
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Why is Assault done again?
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Assault is not playing Cup. That doesn't mean they are done (it was my assumption, and apparantly a bad one).

Go check out ProPaintball.com for details (in the chat box).
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I think that's a great topic. However, in the past few weeks we've seen two of the teams allegedly considering a move up implode (TKO and Assault). I don't know if Big Jim (Top Gun) posts on PbNation. That leaves Dave and me. And if Dave doesn't post, just me. Which isn't really a thread, so much. But maybe if it was opened up to a more general discussion on what the benefits of moving up are, and then Dave (and I) can post in that thread without needing to stand up in front of it.
I would love to see that thread get started. It would be nice to hear from some of the players aspects too, other thzn for the reason I stated.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:07 PM #11
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Josh - I think the answer is to the question is fairly obvious

We're all competitive people - or we wouldn't be doing what we're doing. Competitive people want to push themselves - play against the best - be the best. Moving up the ladder (whether that's from D4 to D3 or D1 to Pro) is just a measurement against ourselves - finding out where we fit in the world of tournament paintball.

On a business side of things (running a team that is) moving up means you can hopefully get a little more out of your sponsors then you did the previous year. More publicity, more followers, etc... means more value to the sponsors. Unfortunately I think the steps are fairly shallow until you get to the Pro ranks. Meaning that the sponsors (KEE Action Sports, Planet Eclipse, etc..) see real marketing and lead generation value in the PRO teams. When you start reaching the Marketing Dollars and not the Sales dollars then you've hit the sweet spot.

As for your actual question - why would we want to bump up to pro in a league that might not be around in a year or two? Well, the truth is, if we waited till we were 100% certain that our chosen league would be around for the foreseeable future – we’d be waiting for ever. There are always off season rumors of leagues folding, leagues merging, new leagues forming, etc.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:31 PM #12
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Thanks for that answer Dave, its generally what I thought I would get from a team owner. As for the league part of the questiin, I guess its true, we would be waiting around for ever. Look at basketball right now they are saying no season lol. I still would like to hear from a player off of either 187 or the Hurricanes.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:10 AM #13
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this question is for anyone who is willing to explain maybe a stupid question

i was just wondering if the leagues were to merge whos to say they had to be a unified format i mean both leagues have done pump leagues and i think nppl did 3 man for a while im not positive im not sure how the logistics worked out but im sure the scheduling could be worked out where the formats are on alternate days increase the amount of tournaments in a season so that your not limiting a season to a total of 5 or 6 nationals a year the feeder leagues could continue to choose between one format so that younger teams could choose which one they prefer as well as the unifed league and as far as pros some teams already play in one league and with the economy in such a bind and paintball always having a financial problem i dont think itd be a bad idea to start having the less noticable teams picking a format to stay and having maybe 5 or 6 teams (Dynasty,Infamous,i would say russians but they already do this,Ironmen,Impact,) teams of those kind've statures
As far as the hurricans i really wonder whether or not you guys in that predicment would chose 7 man or xball because i know you guys have always done both one way or another but as i stated before financially wouldnt it make sense to try to and own one league till your STATURE wise i say it like that cause i love the canes and i think you guys should be able to stand in the ranks of all the teams above but like i was saying stature wise once one league has been hopefully dominated or at least competively accomplished enough to be considered one of the best

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always would like that last post to act as my suggestion sorry i ran away with the thought and spaced that part out
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I could see how your idea could work, but I am a big supporter of 1 format and 1 format only.
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I could see how your idea could work, but I am a big supporter of 1 format and 1 format only.
What's "one format"?

Do NFL and NCAA Football play "one format"? NBA and NCAA Basketball?

little league-high school-college-MLB baseball? Designated hitter vs. no designated hitter?

How about D2 and D3 RaceTo 5, or 4? Is that the same format?

How about PSP 5-man vs. NPPL 5-man?

NCPA 3-man vs. everybody elses 3-man? (Hint: NPCA 3-man is limited paint.)


How about people starting at opposite ends of a rectangle with some obstacles in the middle and then shooting at each other until they're all eliminated or time runs out? Is that the same format?


I don't think "same format" matters nearly as much as some people would have anyone think.


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By one format I mean, either go with 7 man or go with x-ball. I believe the two differet formats is either makings it difficult for a team to choose or not allowing them to play multiple leagues do to cost. I am in favor of have the x-ball style of play. As for your sub questions go, you have the same number of players on the field from little league to the MLB, highschool basketball and NBA, mighty mights to NFL. Yea a few rules here and there are changed but the. Number of people on the field do not, scoring doesnt change. Do you understand what I am saying? I know what your talking about, and i still dont understand why there is 3-man, 5-man, 7-man. If there is a solid answer for the reason I would like to hear it.

The reason why I say this is because Kids in paintball progress very fast, and I beleive it would help the younger players if there was one format ( 3,5, or7 man) to focus on.
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Could 1 League that offers both formats with a modified Pro Division Work? I dont know what the modified Pro Division style would be. I just have been reading that PSP runs a great event where NPPL promotes a great event...
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