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Old 10-15-2011, 03:34 PM #43
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Would definitely buy one of these if it didn't mean having to sell my ego8
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:09 PM #44
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Great read, would love to see some of the electronics.
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:38 PM #45
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Looks nice but the case is kinda eh.
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:01 PM #46
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I was between 260-275psi with the stock barrel shooting around 280-290fps depending on the paint. At about 290psi I was chronoing around 310-315fps. Things like humidity, batch size differences, so on and so on will vary your results. Those numbers were how I faired out.
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that's abnormally high...

Like ridiculously high... O_O
I started out in paintball in the late 80's, where - certainly in the UK at any rate - the only tournament legal "air" source at the time was 12 gram capsules. "Constant Air" (still not actually air, but rather large refillable CO2 bottles) was just being introduced, but was only used for recreational play. Air systems and regulators were still a few years away. There were some pump markers that had self contained air cylinders, and were filled with compressed air, but they weren't popular.

With that in mind, pretty much everyone was running at 850psi (assuming room temperature - it could be 1200psi at 100*F). When regulators were introduced, people started working on getting their markers to run at lower pressures, and 300psi became considered to be a true low pressure marker.

OK, so now we have markers that can run at extremely low pressures, but equally, there are still plenty of simple blow-back markers out there that run unregulated on CO2 or an HP output air system. In comparison, is 260psi really absurdly high?
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:17 PM #47
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i like the case, reminds me of something milsim the way it looks
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:56 PM #48
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This means we will be seeing an Eigenbolt shortly

If they came out with the Combat scheme, I would be all over it. Or Hunter.
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Old 10-15-2011, 08:47 PM #49
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Pressure is prolly so high cause the air is stored so far away from the end of the breech so the air expands from the poppet to the porting.
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Old 10-15-2011, 11:13 PM #50
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ben, how do you like the on/off asa compared to the geo's POPS asa? just as easily to use? how much of a turn does it need in order to turn on or off?
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:30 AM #51
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how does this shoot is it smooth?
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:33 PM #52
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ben, how do you like the on/off asa compared to the geo's POPS asa? just as easily to use? how much of a turn does it need in order to turn on or off?
Not Ben, but I'll give you an answer anyway.

Basically, the two ASAs are doing the same job, but are achieving it in different ways. Suffice to say that the Etha ASA does the job and does it well. It's really just a choice of whether you prefer pull on, push button off ASA, or one that uses a knob for on and off. Others may be awayed by the POPS being all metal, while the ASA Etha ASA has a GRN knob.

The knob is quite smooth and only has relatively small ribs on it for grip, but it turns easily enough.

The knob can actually unscrew all the way off, so there are several turns of movement. However, you aren't going to be removing it in normal use. If you turn the knob back to the point where it is just making contact with the reg's pin (obviously you cannot see it, but you can feel it), then you can turn the ASA fully on and off in less than a complete turn.

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how does this shoot is it smooth?
On my first time out, I would have said that there was a vibration on firing, something like the original Geo with the stock bolt kit. No 'kick' as such, but you do feel the marker firing. There is very little muzzle rise when ramping at 15bps. Very controllable, but not perfectly smooth in comparison to - let's say a DM.

Now, the consistency wasn't quite as good as I had hoped, so before my second outing, I serviced the reg and the bolt kit. Probably used a bit more grease on the bolt kit then there was previously. I'm not sure if this dampened down the vibration, or whether something else was the cause, but either way, I wasn't really aware of it this time.

So, smoothest marker out there? No, but as has been said several time, let's not forget the pricing of this marker - you can't expect it to be a DM at this price point, and it's operating method is very different anyway. But after a clean and regrease, it didn't feel at all bad. Pretty smooth.
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Old 10-16-2011, 06:26 PM #53
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I am not a fan of the plastic case, That being said, I cannot wait to shoot one.

EDIT:Why a .693? The '11 came with a 689 and so did the Geo2, Wonder why?

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Old 10-17-2011, 01:39 AM #54
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I am not a fan of the plastic case, That being said, I cannot wait to shoot one.

EDIT:Why a .693? The '11 came with a 689 and so did the Geo2, Wonder why?
I think that case is so bad ***!
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:41 AM #55
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I think that case is so bad ***!
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:41 AM #56
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i cant wait to get my hands on one, i likes the looks of in and being made by PE im sure its gonna shoot money.


on a second note who care what the case looks like, not like u gotta shoot the case its whats in the case that matters.
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Old 10-17-2011, 07:45 AM #57
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I am not a fan of the plastic case, That being said, I cannot wait to shoot one.

EDIT:Why a .693? The '11 came with a 689 and so did the Geo2, Wonder why?
The Etha is aimed at the mass market and consequently a one-barrel suits all bore sizes seemed prudent.

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Old 10-17-2011, 01:34 PM #58
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:39 PM #59
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Anyone else notice the weight? It's heavier than an Etek 2. You'd think with the GRN parts it would be really light.
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Old 10-17-2011, 02:53 PM #60
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from the animation, it seems like the firing chamber has constant air, and the rear section of the bolt guide gets magnetically energized, making the bolt guide retract and allowing the air to blow by the furthest-forward o-ring on the bolt guide, firing the ball. am i correct?
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:01 PM #61
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from the animation, it seems like the firing chamber has constant air, and the rear section of the bolt guide gets magnetically energized, making the bolt guide retract and allowing the air to blow by the furthest-forward o-ring on the bolt guide, firing the ball. am i correct?
Wow. No. Not at all. Read the words.
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:50 PM #62
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The poppet is moved backwards by air pressure, not by magnetism. This air is supplied by the solenoid.

As the poppet moves backwards, it unseals the stem of the valve chamber, allowing air to flow to the bolt, pushing it forwards to chamber a ball in the barrel. As the bolt moves forwards, it is compressing the return spring.

When the bolt reaches the front of it's travel, the air is released from behind the bolt to fire the ball.

At the same time that the poppet is moving back to release air along the stem, it is also closing the air supply to the valve chamber, so the marker fires from a fixed volume of air - air isn't always being fed to the valve chamber, and isn't free flowing through the valve chamber for as long as the bolt is forwards.

When the valve chamber has emptied, the spring in front of the bolt can push the bolt rearward again.

When the solenoid dwell time has expired, the air that was being used to push back and hold the poppet in the rear position is released. This allows the spring behind the poppet to push it forwards again.

When the poppet moves forwards, the stem of the firing chamber is sealed again, so air cannot reach the bolt. The poppet moving forwards also allows air back in to the firing chamber to re-charge.

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Not sure if you will find that explanation any easier than the version from the manual, but hopefully that helps.

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Old 10-18-2011, 05:28 AM #63
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Anyone else notice the weight? It's heavier than an Etek 2. You'd think with the GRN parts it would be really light.
Er, no it's not.

Etek2 was 2.2lbs

Etha is 2.05lbs
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