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Old 08-31-2011, 08:02 AM #1
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Cross post from View from the Deadbox - NPPL DC

For any that didn't know, I'm a huge fan of Baca's and a his blog (even when I disagree with him).

I thought this a rather blunt summation of the NPPL's DC event.

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JJ, (I see you started your own take on the Thread of the Week over at the Thunder forum), what say you? (Please feel free to invite other 7-man supporters to the discussion.)
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:17 AM #2
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Jeff, I like how you knew I'd be around to read this thread at some point...
Yeah man. I wanted to see what supporters of a primarily 7man team had to say...

In response to Baca's post, I am surprised to see that the DC event has such a low turnout so far, as the last 2 events I've played there were quite good...

However, I'm still going to beat my drum for the NPPL and it's continuation in 2012. Whether the leagues 'merge' or not.

Calling me a strictly 7man supporter however isn't quite true. As I mentioned to you in our PM conversation, I love xball, and own a franchise in the cxbl western conference. If I had to choose a format, I would play a hybrid between the 2 as I like aspects of both but not all aspects of either one.

At the end of the day, I want this sport to grow and continue to be played at a National level. So whatever the 'powers that be' in this sport decide is best, I will support it.

And with that being said, SIGN UP FOR NPPL DC!
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:44 AM #3
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I’d say it’s tough to measure the support each league has, but you can make numbers say anything you want them to – just a matter of how you present them.

Disclaimer – I’m an x-ball supporter

To date the PSP has run 3 events and had a total (including pros) of 38 teams attend all 3 events. Not counting the Pro teams the figure is at 28

To date the NPPL has run 2 events (including their signature HB event) and had a total (including pros) of 37 teams attend both events. Not counting the Pro teams the figure is at 21.

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The PSP has had a total of 121 teams (or at least unique team names) play their 3 events (with World Cup still to come)

The NPPL has had a total of 108 teams (or at least unique team names) play their 2 events.

Seems to me that both leagues have about the same amount of “Core” support – teams that play all the events. This might change as the NPPL DC event will most likely drop a few of those 37 teams out of attending all events.

The PSP’s overall attendance of “Unique” teams will increase with their signature event (World Cup) still to come.

The NPPL’s overall attendance of “Unique” teams will most likely increase slightly as the DC event is the first East Coast event they’ve held this year so I’d assume a few new teams might show up.

The NPPL is going to claim they have more Pro/D1/D2 teams (unique team names) for the first two events compared to the PSP’s first 3 events. But that’s a bit misleading – the NPPL has held their signature event already and the PSP hasn’t. Additionally, the money is in the lower divisions – where the PSP takes the lead – significantly.


These numbers are for the primary format only – I’d figure that 5-man teams would come out regardless of what league is offering it – it’s more a matter of location for those guys.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:52 AM #4
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I love Paul's blog. Always great topics.

I don't see how the DC event isn't enough evidence that 7 man is dying. The numbers are pretty pathetic. It really seems as if there are only a handful of teams that truly care about the format at all. I say let it die- It's not spectator friendly at all. It's slow and boring to watch. How can we move forward as a sport if nobody even wants to watch it, let alone play?
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You can have all the teams and all the players you want, the bottom line is whether or not you are making money......

We can debate and argue until we're blue in the face, only time will tell.
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JJ, you said above, "However, I'm still going to beat my drum for the NPPL and it's continuation in 2012. Whether the leagues 'merge' or not."

Are you a supporter of 7-man or the NPPL (it is two different things) or both?

BTW, I heard from Lane himself what the current status of agreements coming out of the merger conversations is and I can now call shens (I think that's like calling bull****) on anyone who speaks falsehoods.
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I'm a supporter of the NPPL.
I think they are doing the necessary things to promote the sport.
I think they format needs to change in order to appease the masses, but with the people the NPPL has in place, I think it is moving in the right direction.
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I think they are doing the necessary things to promote the sport.
Part 1:

What qualifies as "Promoting the Sport" ?

Increasing the number of people who know what paintball is?

Increasing the number of people who know what paintball is, AND have a positive opinion of it? (I.e., won't oppose a paintball field in their neighborhood, or a paintball team at their high school?)

Increasing the number of people who pick up a paintball gun and shoot their friends?

Increasing the number of people who go to a commercial field and pay to have a better experience picking up a paintball gun and shooting others?

Increasing how often people participate?

Increasing the sales of paintball manufacturers?


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What are the "right things" that NPPL does to "Promote the Sport" ?



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Old 09-01-2011, 11:09 AM #9
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BTW, I heard from Lane himself what the current status of agreements coming out of the merger conversations is and I can now call shens (I think that's like calling bull****) on anyone who speaks falsehoods.

Cant believe no one called me out on this one.
It was a lark. Per Lane, there are no decisions. # of events, format...
And per Lane, anyone who says they do know is fibbing.
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Cant believe no one called me out on this one.
It was a lark. Per Lane, there are no decisions. # of events, format...
And per Lane, anyone who says they do know is fibbing.
I wanted to preserve your ability to bluff.

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Part 1:

What qualifies as "Promoting the Sport" ?

Increasing the number of people who know what paintball is?

Increasing the number of people who know what paintball is, AND have a positive opinion of it? (I.e., won't oppose a paintball field in their neighborhood, or a paintball team at their high school?)

Increasing the number of people who pick up a paintball gun and shoot their friends?

Increasing the number of people who go to a commercial field and pay to have a better experience picking up a paintball gun and shooting others?

Increasing how often people participate?

Increasing the sales of paintball manufacturers?

Part 2:

What are the "right things" that NPPL does to "Promote the Sport" ?

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All those things you said, help promote the sport. You dont need to accomplish all, but even accomplishing one helps greatly.
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All those things you said, help promote the sport. You dont need to accomplish all, but even accomplishing one helps greatly.
I agree, but Part 2 was the more interesting part. I think a lot of people like to toss around the phrase "promoting the sport", without taking the time to really know what they mean by that. I think a lot of times when people pull the "promoting the sport!" reason out of the hat, they are grossly overestimating the actual value of "promoting the sport" because they have not considered what actual promotion of the sport the particular thing they are defending does.

In this case, I would like to know what, specifically, a national competitive league does to promote the sport. They do do it, but I don't think they do nearly as many things as someone who throws out 'Promote the Sport!' thinks they do.

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Old 09-07-2011, 10:13 AM #13
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Well, they give the photographers a venue to shoot to help us promote and publicize the sport.
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Do they advertise locally, like putting up signs and handing out flyers? I guess looking at it they dont do to much to actually help the sport grow, rather they promote to already excisting players, to bring them into their league.
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Do they advertise locally, like putting up signs and handing out flyers?
If they do, they shouldn't, because it's almost completely ineffective. Advertising a paintball tournament to the general public works about as well as you seeing an advertisement for a lacrosse tournament. If you don't already participate in lacrosse, you ain't going.

Advertising to the general public needs to focus on making it easy for people to go play paintball for the first time.

It has to direct those people to fields who will provide a good first-time experience.

Those things are something that most competitive paintball leagues are simply not equipped to do well. (The NCPA is an exception due to the pressure to find new players at your school.)

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I see youre point, although I have been turned on to watching rugby because of an advertisement I heard on one of my local radio stations. I still play woods ball from time to time with my buddies that got me into it back in the day, and we are always recruiting first timers into our games and then i usually send them to some of the fields here in MA and they tend to stay playing it, but are to intimidated to try "speed ball". The thing that kills the promotion from what I hear from new comers is the cost of paint and supplies (guns, mask, etc.).
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