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Old 08-28-2011, 06:44 PM #1
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Discussion: The possible NPPL/PSP 'merger'

So everyone who doesn't live under a rock has heard that there are talks between the NPPL and PSP over merging into one national league next year.

Let's get some discussion going about what you think about it?

From what I've heard so far. The proposal is a 7man race-to format with sideline coaching and semi-auto capped at either 12.5 or 15bps.

Now being the devil's advocate type that I am, and with everyone in the PSP team threads assuming that the PSP will be the dominant force in this merger, I am going to go and say in MY humble opinion that the NPPL will be the dominant force. And that 7man will live on, albeit in a hybrid format that I heard we might see in the DC allstar game...

With there being 16 pro teams in the NPPL, and others in the PSP that do not participate in our league, how do you see the pro bracket looking like for 2012?

Should they bring back a semi-pro division to handle the influx of new teams?

Will you play this new merged national league?

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Old 08-28-2011, 08:50 PM #2
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:53 PM #3
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While I love old school paintball and coaching has no real place in old school play,xball was the modern answer to slow boring games that sometimes happen from a viewers take.Coaching while it takes some of the exciting play out of the game look at the dynasty russian final?You could say if the pit side could coach that would not have happened,but the snake side should have been enough.The argument for coaching is exhausting.

Main stream PB will need things to heat up in order to keep the games fast and exciting for the fans.As a marketing angle for this argument,why are all PB vids showing highlights?Who would be attracted to the game with long games with no action?

I being a player/coach/fan love the game as long as I can play no matter how it evolves.
Paintball tried to adapt to a rough economy by lowering the rof,this was said to help the divisional players. I personally think it was to help the budget for paintball sponsors.Pro paint budgets 15.4 shooting 80-120 cases was stiff.Well now the changes made have turn things full circle and points are long in xball and that format is loosing it's luster.

What ever happens the young generation of players need to be attracted to the game by making it exciting,or it will be no different then a boring *** baseball/football game that you could change the channel in a heartbeat on to watch the man with the afro paint happy tree's.

15bps and a few more bunkers would speed the games up in the psp,nppl taking on ramping or something to speed the game up.Make the nppl as attractive as xball was in 2005.

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Old 08-29-2011, 02:48 PM #4
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They would almost have to bring back the semi-pro division just by the shear influx of pro teams from both leagues. I'd almost say take the bottom 5 or so teams from Pro in each league and the top 4 teams from the D1 divisions and theres your Semi-pro teams.

7 man race-to seems like a good compromise. And keeping a capped semi is good but then theres the argument of how you keep the cheaters from just using ramping or what not.

Either way im sure I'll still be shooting people for years to come so meh whatever happens, happens.
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Old 08-29-2011, 04:24 PM #5
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My humble opinion there needs to be 18 pro teams, and then drop the rest to semi-Pro, etc...

7-man race to with 15bps is going to be INSANE
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I think the 7-man race to format would be great, however I would prefer to see coaching taken out of the picture if they were to merge into one format. I feel that coaching really inhibits players from making those amazing moves that keep the fans in excitement, and that make our sport so fun to play and watch.

Mind you, coaching adds a different element, and style of play to xball that many people prefer over traditional 7 man, and I think it has it's place in xball. However I feel that if they are going to merge into one race to format, it would make for much more exciting paintball if they removed coaching. Take away all of the outside influences and let the players play, and showcase their natural skills and instincts
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Old 08-29-2011, 04:55 PM #7
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Let's move to 10-man with X-Ball rules. The original ones, 2 20 minute halves, full auto 15bps. In the woods.

(Fair warning, this one's gotten a bit lengthy as I've been thinking at my desk!)

Seriously, though, I think the two formats are different enough, or should/could be, that two leagues can work... if done right. The problems stem from the fact that the same companies are trying to fund entries into both, and some teams are trying to play both. For the really well funded, highly sponsored teams, great. For everyone else, it's choose one or the other, and miss out on half the event coverage and field time.

My analogy with paintball has long been comparing it (somewhat) to racing. What we've got with two leagues is kind of like Indy Car and Nascar. Two very different styles of competition, sometimes running the same venues, but not at the same time. Could those two entities merge, running a hybrid stock/open wheel car, adapting a common format, and having the series owners sharing in both the revenues and responsibilities? Doubtful. First off, the fans wouldn't stand for it, on either side. The participants from both, well, you're going to lose some top level talent, through merging the fields, teams not being able to adapt, things like that. The field fillers would go away completely, down to lower levels of competition. It could even cause a couple start-up leagues/series to launch to fill the gap left by the merger.

The same kind of thing could happen with paintball. Let's be honest, the vast majority of us in the game have HUGE egos, and I'm not talking about guns. That goes all the way up to the top, the people who run the leagues. Think any of them REALLY want to share control of a league with the other side? Sure, it helps the manufacturers and paint suppliers, but is it really good for the players? Adapt a format that's different - again - from what's been played?

Maybe the way to really go about this is to make the two leagues seriously different. Going back to the racing analogy, Indy Car/Formula One are technology showcases. Go fast above all else, technology being restricted only for safety and standardization. Stock cars have stuck with carburated (going away now) pushrod V8's and leaded gas (now gone) far longer than street cars, technological dinosaurs comparatively, but endured and thrived in popularity. Is something like that feasible in paintball tournament play? Make one league seriously high-speed in the equipment. Let it rip! Full auto/ramping, however much paint is wanted, in-mask communications with coaches, fields designed to showcase that firepower. Make the other league something more restrictive in the gear. Maybe allow only one battery operated device per player - gun or hopper. Restrict the paint carried out on the field. This league could be the showcase of player skill over equipment technology, and the fields would have to reflect this as well. Capping technology sure doesn't slow a game down, as anyone who has watched or played pump knows. There's way less paint in the air, sure, but the players are forced to play hard, fast, and smart, or they don't make it.

Then again, maybe I'm just venting the rants of an aging player who doesn't really get top-level play.
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:22 PM #8
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Nice Scout. Very Nice..

10-man was awesome, especially in the woods!
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:23 PM #9
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I think the 7-man race to format would be great, however I would prefer to see coaching taken out of the picture if they were to merge into one format. I feel that coaching really inhibits players from making those amazing moves that keep the fans in excitement, and that make our sport so fun to play and watch.

Mind you, coaching adds a different element, and style of play to xball that many people prefer over traditional 7 man, and I think it has it's place in xball. However I feel that if they are going to merge into one race to format, it would make for much more exciting paintball if they removed coaching. Take away all of the outside influences and let the players play, and showcase their natural skills and instincts
agreed about the coaching and skill, etc.. BUT you have to think about it this way.. The league(s) want to keep the crowd involved, and that means allowing them to shout and scream at players playing the game.
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:20 PM #10
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An entire week of ball? Monday-Wed is 7man and Thurs-Sunday is Xball or vice versa. I think trying to conjoining the two would end up making the game too complicated.
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:45 PM #11
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Nico.... It would not be an entire weekend of ball.. The formats would be merged... The only way it will work
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agreed about the coaching and skill, etc.. BUT you have to think about it this way.. The league(s) want to keep the crowd involved, and that means allowing them to shout and scream at players playing the game.
I can understand that, and I agree that it does do a great a job of involving the crowd. With having two different leagues and formats, I think it is great. Some players really prefer the xball format and love the coaching factor of it, and others are 7man players.

But if they are going to merge into one league/format then obviously they won't be able to migrate all of the rules from both leagues. I just feel that no coaching would be the best thing for the league and the players. It's about keeping paintball alive and thriving, so whatever will accomplish that should be the goal. I'll be playing no matter what the big people decide to do
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:47 AM #13
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Could you imagine if they said one single coach,yelling 7 bunkers,lol.That would be funny to watch by itself.
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Old 08-31-2011, 05:01 PM #14
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At this point a merger will only help to spread the sponsorship money and to help keep the sport alive and affordable to all players.

I like the idea of a 7 man race-2 format. After taking the past 10 months off due to the Military it will be quite interesting to see what is done for 2012.

I like the thought of limiting what a player can have on the field. Especially limited paint quantities.

ROF...from semi to making a gun bounce in semi or capped ramping from 10.5-15 bps, it just wouldn't bother me with any of the settings. Which is why I am a fan of a limited paint quantity. No matter how fast you shoot you only have so much to shoot.

There are far too many variables to determine how fast games will be played and what makes the game exciting and "crowd pleasing".
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7man with a race to 2, would be fun with coaching. 12.5 bps ramp makes more sense to regulate and make a more equal playing field. When it really comes down to it people would play any format, this sport is a hell of a drug. People are arguing tooth and nail over what format is superior but if 1 gets killed most teams would still play. I don't care what format they would choose in this possible merger, centralizing the paintball population would be badass and would be good for the sport imo
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probably the worst decision ever. only one style of play available in the us..... great.
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