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Old 05-20-2010, 12:15 PM #85
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each is a good (and cheap) barrel for an alpha black?
i know it uses barrels from 98c, but all the barrels will fit?
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Old 05-20-2010, 02:45 PM #86
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each is a good (and cheap) barrel for an alpha black?
i know it uses barrels from 98c, but all the barrels will fit?
Any 98c threaded barrel should fit. Depending on the outer diameter of the barrel, you may run into some issues with the shroud through.

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Old 06-30-2010, 03:05 AM #87
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very informative thread! thanks
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:14 PM #88
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Does anyone know if the Longbow barrel will fit on an X7 Phenom with its stock shroud?
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:37 PM #89
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Old 08-07-2010, 12:11 AM #90
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I never understood all of the people going crazy over barrels. For the most part, they do absolutely nothing. The only three things that have any effect are diameter, ported vs. non, and length (though not in the way most people think.) Somehow there are still a ton of misconceptions about them, though.

First, diameter: Any barrel that you match to your paint will be the same. Diameter makes a difference with accuracy, but only when your barrel gets dirty. Two clean barrels will be equally accurate regardless of diameter (as long as they aren't chopping paint), as tested multiple times on a bench-viced marker at 100 yards. However, when you finally do chop or break paint in the barrel, a tighter bore makes for better tolerances and will be slightly more accurate until you get a chance to clean it properly, as larger bores give the gunk inside your barrel the opportunity to impart spin onto your paintballs. Also, avoid barrels with different bores (i.e. "steps" in the barrel). These retain any paint that breaks inside your barrel and has an even bigger negative effect on accuracy.

Porting vs. non-porting is still a debatable issue. Theoretically, a ported barrel will be more consistent and reduce noise. This is because a non-ported barrel reacts strangely to pressure at the very point that the paintball exits the barrel, sometimes warping trajectory. However, recent research is showing that while such an assertion is scientifically valid, testing has shown the difference to be negligible when human handling is concerned (and the difference is minuscule when shot from a vice, as well).

Finally, length. Anything shorter than 6 inches will have a very minor detrimental effect on accuracy, and anything higher than about 16 inches will make your marker inefficient in terms of gas usage. The funny thing is that barrel length between those extremes has nothing at all to do with accuracy. An 8 inch barrel is exactly as accurate as a 16 inch barrel. The only reasons to upgrade barrel length are for a difference in sound signature or for aesthetic reasons (because you think it looks cool.)

Some further clearing up: You don't need some super-fancy micro-sandblasted titanium barrel. The inside of your barrel is not going to make a noticeable difference on your accuracy, either. Punkworks tested this theory and even a $10 barrel that they sprayed inside with textured spray paint was hardly any less accurate than a top-of-the line barrel. There is a LOT of marketing hype with barrels.

Also a note on range: Barrel length does not affect your range. A paintball gun firing at a consistent velocity will launch paint exactly the same distance no matter what barrel you use (besides flatline.)

As for the flatline: I know it sounds cool, but avoid it. Yes, it gives you some extra range because of backspin, but at the end of its trajectory at max range you can literally catch the paintball it fired because it is almost floating. The biggest problem is that when a ball breaks in your barrel, you will not be able to clean it adequately. Broken paint in the barrel will negate any possible advantage the flatline gives you, and the barrel will be less accurate than even a stock 8 incher. It is also really easy to install just a hair off, which will wreck your accuracy.

In the end, there is a lot of "self-fulfilling prophesy" in regards to barrels. A player that assumes their shiny new barrel will make them more accurate becomes more confident and actually "tricks" themselves into becoming a better shot. There are very few ways to consistently make a marker more accurate:

Become a better shot. This takes practice and confidence.
Use high-quality paint.
Buy a marker with internals devoted to accuracy, such as a Phantom (or most decent pumps, for that matter.)
Use First Strike paintballs / markers. Yes, they really do work. Yes, they are stupidly expensive.
Use HPA instead of CO2. It is more consistent.

Hope this helps. If there is anything to take from this in a small summary:

Match your paint to your barrel.
Go for a barrel longer than 6 inches and shorter than 17, unless you don't mind using a bit more gas for longer barrels.
Don't buy barrels with multiple bore sizes ("steps").
Buy a barrel because you like the look or want a ported / nonported barrel, not because you want to be more accurate.

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Old 08-28-2010, 08:39 PM #91
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jj ceramic 14" or 12" Lapco bigshot! Both great barrels!
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:19 PM #92
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I say DW fibur. Great barrel
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:31 PM #93
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BOA Concealer on my Phenom, shoots straight, never chops, extremely quiet, a bit heavy cause its made of brass, but hey, if an extra half pound is an issue for you, quit *****ing and hit the gym.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:58 PM #94
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We heard you the first time Anthony.

My suggestion is the FLASC barrel(s). It's hard to beat their flexibility.
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Old 10-29-2010, 02:00 PM #95
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for the most part, you are correct. but depending on machining, it could affect accuracy because of machining errors or increased friction in other areas. velocity could also be dependent upon how polished the bore is. because friction = drag, and the less of that the better.

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I never understood all of the people going crazy over barrels. For the most part, they do absolutely nothing. The only three things that have any effect are diameter, ported vs. non, and length (though not in the way most people think.) Somehow there are still a ton of misconceptions about them, though.

First, diameter: Any barrel that you match to your paint will be the same. Diameter makes a difference with accuracy, but only when your barrel gets dirty. Two clean barrels will be equally accurate regardless of diameter (as long as they aren't chopping paint), as tested multiple times on a bench-viced marker at 100 yards. However, when you finally do chop or break paint in the barrel, a tighter bore makes for better tolerances and will be slightly more accurate until you get a chance to clean it properly, as larger bores give the gunk inside your barrel the opportunity to impart spin onto your paintballs. Also, avoid barrels with different bores (i.e. "steps" in the barrel). These retain any paint that breaks inside your barrel and has an even bigger negative effect on accuracy.

Porting vs. non-porting is still a debatable issue. Theoretically, a ported barrel will be more consistent and reduce noise. This is because a non-ported barrel reacts strangely to pressure at the very point that the paintball exits the barrel, sometimes warping trajectory. However, recent research is showing that while such an assertion is scientifically valid, testing has shown the difference to be negligible when human handling is concerned (and the difference is minuscule when shot from a vice, as well).

Finally, length. Anything shorter than 6 inches will have a very minor detrimental effect on accuracy, and anything higher than about 16 inches will make your marker inefficient in terms of gas usage. The funny thing is that barrel length between those extremes has nothing at all to do with accuracy. An 8 inch barrel is exactly as accurate as a 16 inch barrel. The only reasons to upgrade barrel length are for a difference in sound signature or for aesthetic reasons (because you think it looks cool.)

Some further clearing up: You don't need some super-fancy micro-sandblasted titanium barrel. The inside of your barrel is not going to make a noticeable difference on your accuracy, either. Punkworks tested this theory and even a $10 barrel that they sprayed inside with textured spray paint was hardly any less accurate than a top-of-the line barrel. There is a LOT of marketing hype with barrels.

Also a note on range: Barrel length does not affect your range. A paintball gun firing at a consistent velocity will launch paint exactly the same distance no matter what barrel you use (besides flatline.)

As for the flatline: I know it sounds cool, but avoid it. Yes, it gives you some extra range because of backspin, but at the end of its trajectory at max range you can literally catch the paintball it fired because it is almost floating. The biggest problem is that when a ball breaks in your barrel, you will not be able to clean it adequately. Broken paint in the barrel will negate any possible advantage the flatline gives you, and the barrel will be less accurate than even a stock 8 incher. It is also really easy to install just a hair off, which will wreck your accuracy.

In the end, there is a lot of "self-fulfilling prophesy" in regards to barrels. A player that assumes their shiny new barrel will make them more accurate becomes more confident and actually "tricks" themselves into becoming a better shot. There are very few ways to consistently make a marker more accurate:

Become a better shot. This takes practice and confidence.
Use high-quality paint.
Buy a marker with internals devoted to accuracy, such as a Phantom (or most decent pumps, for that matter.)
Use First Strike paintballs / markers. Yes, they really do work. Yes, they are stupidly expensive.
Use HPA instead of CO2. It is more consistent.

Hope this helps. If there is anything to take from this in a small summary:

Match your paint to your barrel.
Go for a barrel longer than 6 inches and shorter than 17, unless you don't mind using a bit more gas for longer barrels.
Don't buy barrels with multiple bore sizes ("steps").
Buy a barrel because you like the look or want a ported / nonported barrel, not because you want to be more accurate.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:23 PM #96
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hey im curious if someone could fill me in will the tpx take a freak kit or is it too big also how long is the stock barrel? Thanks and if someone could pm me this info or ill try and check back here thanks in advance.
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:17 PM #97
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wow guys. the flatline is the way to go for the A5. there is no comparison. it shoots so far and straight. its like the ball just floats....at high speeds...haha and it shoots straight and accurate
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Old 02-21-2011, 10:00 PM #98
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wow guys. the flatline is the way to go for the A5. there is no comparison. it shoots so far and straight. its like the ball just floats....at high speeds...haha and it shoots straight and accurate
How much does Tippmann pay you a year? In case you missed this a few posts up....

As for the flatline: I know it sounds cool, but avoid it. Yes, it gives you some extra range because of backspin, but at the end of its trajectory at max range you can literally catch the paintball it fired because it is almost floating. The biggest problem is that when a ball breaks in your barrel, you will not be able to clean it adequately. Broken paint in the barrel will negate any possible advantage the flatline gives you, and the barrel will be less accurate than even a stock 8 incher. It is also really easy to install just a hair off, which will wreck your accuracy.
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:07 PM #99
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thank you for the effort. Help me alot.
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:11 PM #100
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:45 PM #101
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i used to use a DW before i moved to my PE
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Old 06-29-2011, 03:52 PM #102
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I like J&J 12" for the money its awesome sauce. altho gotta say my stock phenom barrel rocks.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:21 AM #103
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I use a 14" Smart Parts All American with an iFit and it is pretty darn accurate. With the iFit there is about 15.25" of barrel hanging out the end of my A-5.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:41 PM #104
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:26 PM #105
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i just got a 98 custom A.C.T what would be a good not too expensive barrel for some one starting out?
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