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Old 02-23-2011, 01:02 PM #22
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ucf actually had 2 teams at the last event.
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We thought about competing at WC but we only had 8 people at the time and 2 of us were playing on other teams.
That sort of proves my point.

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Once we get funding from our school we will be looking at putting up a class a team.
While funding is important, it's not going to change the numbers issue.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:55 PM #23
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That sort of proves my point.
We just started as a team at the beginning of last semester and that's the reason we didn't have the bodies for cup. Now, we do. Like I said before, we aren't official with the school so we cannot even advertise that we exist. Anyone that we currently have is by word of mouth only.

Anyways. I figure a class A conference won't happen by next year, but we'll at least be ready for it in terms of players.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:58 PM #24
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Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.
That sort of proves my point.
While funding is important, it's not going to change the numbers issue.
In regards to numbers... Are professional players allowed to play in the ncpa? As long as of course they are full time students?
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:03 PM #25
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:52 PM #26
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In regards to numbers... Are professional players allowed to play in the ncpa? As long as of course they are full time students?
Yes, NCPA is open class in terms of rank restrictions
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:34 PM #27
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we only put one team in since it was in our backyard. we play Class A in College and Nationals and will play Class A in Nationals this year. we could have fielded two teams at this past event but didn't. some was funds but we could plan accordingly for the travel and paint expenses.

we also don't want to travel to South Carolina and back for Class AA events. If we only did a Class AA for Florida then that would be ok, maybe we could compete in that but a Class A would be ideal if we could get that approved through the NCPA.
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Old 03-02-2011, 09:30 PM #28
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We just started as a team at the beginning of last semester and that's the reason we didn't have the bodies for cup. Now, we do. Like I said before, we aren't official with the school so we cannot even advertise that we exist. Anyone that we currently have is by word of mouth only.

Anyways. I figure a class A conference won't happen by next year, but we'll at least be ready for it in terms of players.
Dont you need to be recognized by the school to even compete in the NCPA (barring the high school division)? Or does the recognition only pertain to Class A?
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:28 PM #29
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As far as I know, no recognition is required for either... it's as long as all the players are from the same school.

But I could be wrong.
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:06 AM #30
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you only have to be from the same school. school recognition doesnt matter, it is just much more doable if the school helps fund.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:35 AM #31
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It's useful to look at APPA to get an idea of participation and viability for a new Class A conference.

Of the teams you named, 4 of them registered 1 squad (FAU, FGCU, UF, USF) and 1 of them (UCF) had 2 squads in the latest SACC AA event. Also relevant is the fact that this event took place at CFP - the venue you proposed as the location for all events in the potential A conference.

The way I see it, if those 4 (or 5) teams can't get 2 AA lines to an event at CFP, your new Class A conference doesn't have the manpower to be successful.

Also, only 2 of those teams participated in World Cup 2010. It just doesn't look like you have the level of team participation to attempt a Class A conference.

If FAU, FGCU, UF, USF and UCF make an appearance at Nationals 2011 and participate in Class A, it would be worthwhile reviewing this idea again.

Question I know you talk about showing viability by putting in 2 AA lines, how would you consider viability of a team playing a full season of Regional Xball?
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At this point, I'm concerned about the viability of the conference. It is incredibly unlikely that we would entertain the idea of a Florida Class A conference. I'd like to see a full season of 4 Class AA events and see what the attendance is. Plus, since you're in Florida, you have easy access to Collegiate World Cup and Nationals.

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Old 03-04-2011, 10:33 AM #33
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At this point, I'm concerned about the viability of the conference. It is incredibly unlikely that we would entertain the idea of a Florida Class A conference. I'd like to see a full season of 4 Class AA events and see what the attendance is. Plus, since you're in Florida, you have easy access to Collegiate World Cup and Nationals.

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Thanks for your response. I can understand being skeptical about a jumping from no conference to a class A conference. We as a team only see 5 man as practical for our beginner lines, I am sure you already know FL is rich with players that compete on the Regional and National level. Because most of these players go to school they play for the school but also remain on their PSP and Regional teams throughout the season. For those players that play the xball format I, and most of our players and probably the players for a lot of other Florida teams that are in a similar situation feel that the 5 man format simply isn't fun and worth our attention. We as a school have decided, especially after testing the waters with the recent 5 man event that we want to Pursue regional xball over collegiate 5 man since that is what we as a team aim to play at the collegiate level. We do intend to attend both Nationals (If we can play Class A on Friday for the 2 spots open for Sat and Sunday play) and the Collegiate cup at World Cup this year and hopefully that will help contribute to FL getting a conference, or at least having a conference that is more logistical to Florida, especially South Florida teams (damn our long state).

Thanks again for your time, and response. Please look through your email I did send one regarding the details of Friday play for Nationals.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:51 PM #34
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race to format should be logical for all teams...beginner or advanced
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:25 AM #35
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We had the same problem with AA, as far as people not wanting to play 5 man bc they thought it was not as competitive and the like, but luckily we found a bunch of guys who were willing to work through AA to get to A. If y'all can trudge out one season of AA you'd have a more viable claim to A. It'd be a lot less expensive too. Our average cost for AA was about $600-700 ($120 entry and $45 a case * 15 cases) plus travel and whatnot, so its not expensive at all for a season of that ($5k a line including nationals give or take compared to $20k a team or $10k a line Class A). Plus if you can show your school progress through the season they'd be more apt to recognize you and give you money to help. Thats how we got going, we worked year after year to slowly build a winning rep with the school and they fed us a little more every year until we got where we are now.
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you only have to be from the same school. school recognition doesnt matter, it is just much more doable if the school helps fund.
This is true to an extent. However, you may need to be recognized by the school to sport school logos or register as a school team. The only way I see to get around this is to have your jerseys printed by someone licensed by the school to print their logo.
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Yea thats pretty much what I was wondering. Like could a team register, and the only affiliation they have with the school is that all the players go to that school?
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As I understood for A on this page: http://www.college-paintball.com/col...erseyreqs.html

That use of the school's colors, logo and name have to be on the jerseys. I don't know how all schools are, but assuming that your school doesn't care that the logo, colors and name are used in a jersey, all you need is players that go to the same school.
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Yea thats pretty much what I was wondering. Like could a team register, and the only affiliation they have with the school is that all the players go to that school?
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As I understood for A on this page: http://www.college-paintball.com/col...erseyreqs.html

That use of the school's colors, logo and name have to be on the jerseys. I don't know how all schools are, but assuming that your school doesn't care that the logo, colors and name are used in a jersey, all you need is players that go to the same school.
There's no requirement that it has to be the school's official athletic program logo. Lots of teams don't have permission to use that. Worst case, you can make a new logo. The important thing is we want a logo that represents the team, not a bunch of "Paintball Manufacturer" branded jerseys.

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I think you missed Snido's post right above yours. $20,000 is a very realistic cost for competing in Class A for a season. You have a $3,800 entry fee, plus practice paint, plus 8-10 full matches, plus the good probability of travel. Are your players willing, and more importantly able, to pay $2k out of pocket to play for the year?
We calculated it one year and our number was closer to $30,000 - $40,000.
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