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Old 02-01-2011, 09:59 PM #295
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Maybe you should learn to shoot? I dunno? I shot it ALL the time out of an AK 47 and hit dead nuts with it. High and right of center means you're not shouldering the weapon properly, letting the recoil take control of your stance. To base your opinion on SIXTY rounds is also kind of lame, that's 2 mags you shot, and then you gave up. Weak.
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:00 PM #296
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It doesn't shoot accurately. I shot 60 rounds of Wolf, and it all went a little high and right of center. None were in the bullseye. Shot 20 rounds of PMC or whatever it's called, and 20 rounds of Remington UMC, both $10, and they were ALL center.

It's **** ammo. Period.
So what you are saying is a different ammo, with a different amount and type of powder, shooting at a different velocity had a different zero?

That does not make it **** ammo, that just means that your gun was zeroed for a different ammo.
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It doesn't shoot accurately. I shot 60 rounds of Wolf, and it all went a little high and right of center. None were in the bullseye. Shot 20 rounds of PMC or whatever it's called, and 20 rounds of Remington UMC, both $10, and they were ALL center.

It's **** ammo. Period.
So in one "test" of yours you shot three different types of ammunition and one of them was high and right. So it was higher velocity ammo and you were pulling to the right.


Which brought you to conclude all these random bull **** reasons why it's bad ammo in your opinion.





and the thought of putting me on ignore

you must really hate rationality
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So what you are saying is a different ammo, with a different amount and type of powder, shooting at a different velocity had a different zero?

That does not make it **** ammo, that just means that your gun was zeroed for a different ammo.
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Maybe you should learn to shoot? I dunno? I shot it ALL the time out of an AK 47 and hit dead nuts with it. High and right of center means you're not shouldering the weapon properly, letting the recoil take control of your stance. To base your opinion on SIXTY rounds is also kind of lame, that's 2 mags you shot, and then you gave up. Weak.
I had 200 originally. I can shoot damn well, probably better than most in this thread. Based on your intelligence, or lack there of, I'd wager I shoot better than you. So kindly step down off that soapbox before you hurt yourself.
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I had 200 originally. I can shoot damn well, probably better than most in this thread. Based on your intelligence, or lack there of, I'd wager I shoot better than you. So kindly step down off that soapbox before you hurt yourself.
Care to answer my above post? Please, in more detail rather than random Google points explain why the ammo is bad, along with the other questions posed above.
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So what you are saying is a different ammo, with a different amount and type of powder, shooting at a different velocity had a different zero?

That does not make it **** ammo, that just means that your gun was zeroed for a different ammo.
It was with iron sights, it wasn't "zeroed" for anything. It's bad ammo, hands down. NOTHING about it was desirable, even the price. I'd rather buy brass surplus ammo for a little more money. There is no reason to shoot such ****ty ammo.
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It was with iron sights, it wasn't "zeroed" for anything. It's bad ammo, hands down. NOTHING about it was desirable, even the price. I'd rather buy brass surplus ammo for a little more money. There is no reason to shoot such ****ty ammo.
So if it wasnt zeroed for anything, how can you even expect to hit the target?

It is not bad ammo, $200 a case (or less) is more than enough reason to use it.

Also, please answer this:

Define "shoots like ****".

How does it feed poorly? How is that even ammo related? I have old steel case with lacquer on it that feeds just fine in my guns, and the guns of others.

Smokeless, meh, never noticed a musket like cloud of smoke.

Sparks... They all do. Even Hornady TAP training ammo which is supposed to be damned good ****.

Splinters? Please define this...

Dirty? They all are, that really doesnt matter though.
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I had 200 originally. I can shoot damn well, probably better than most in this thread. Based on your intelligence, or lack there of, I'd wager I shoot better than you. So kindly step down off that soapbox before you hurt yourself.
You shoot IDPA/USPSA/3 Gun? No? Okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLLAKnVej9o Want to do. Now.

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If anyone knows if this is possible help me out.

I'm moving to Germany and will not be taking my weapons with me. I want to get them back to my parents house, but will not be going there, so I plan on shipping them. To ship weapons in the US, do you have to send it to a FFL or whatever dealer and have someone pick them up from him? Or is it possible I break down the weapons and just send them straight to my parents house? Ex: upper of my AR in one box, lower in a separate box? Thanks for the help.
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I can't even find a face palm picture that is epic or fitting enough to describe Orvis' more posts throughout this entire thread. The most hilarious aspect is boasting about being able to shoot better than people whom he has never met or seen shoot, him spouting off random, biased, and unjustified bull**** about stuff and then telling other people they are wrong/ignorant when they argue it with fact.

Keep posting Orvis, you're really entertaining me.

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I want to do 3 gun comp. How much they cost bro?
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No, because the project was cancelled due to poor performance and the gun was never made for sale to anyone, let alone civilians.
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I want to do 3 gun comp. How much they cost bro?
Around here you can get into one for $15-$20 without prizes. If you want prizes, the prices get into $50+.
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It was with iron sights, it wasn't "zeroed" for anything. It's bad ammo, hands down. NOTHING about it was desirable, even the price. I'd rather buy brass surplus ammo for a little more money. There is no reason to shoot such ****ty ammo.
I'm going to side with Orionz, not all ammo will have the same characteristics. Different powders and projectiles will produce different points of impact.
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Around here you can get into one for $15-$20 without prizes. If you want prizes, the prices get into $50+.
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Remember though, even at the small scale local levels, odds are you will be out-geared. You also need to be weary of the competition itself. Not sure what you are looking for, but three gun is very gear dependent.
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I use an arsenal sgl 31 61, Les Baer 1911/Sig p226 and borrow my friends benelli

There are some absolutely disgustingly expensive ar-15's and 1911's, just makes you want to puke how much money some of those rifles have in them. They are sweet to shoot though. Usually I shoot IDPA, but 3 gun when I have time.
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I would do a multi-gun, pistol/carbine. Probably use my M&P Pro all worked over and a 16" Noveske N4 with a 13" TRX Extreme and an Aimpoint or an Accupoint.
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