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Old 11-04-2010, 01:13 PM #1
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Is GPA a good measure?

I personally do not think GPA is a good measure. I am trying to take graduate level classes next semester (2nd semester senior year) and they won't let me because of my GPA (3.42 and requirement is 3.5).

Let's take a look at this now. Could I have gone through, got some BS major that's easier than algebra, and gotten a 4.0? Sure I could have. But I didn't. I am an accounting major (which requires you to graduate with 150 hours). So I am fitting 5 years of school into 4. That means I am taking the maximum course load possible and then some.

Who do you think should get into grad school? The person who took cake-walk classes or the person who busted their *** and actually learned something?

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GPA needs to be taken in context. There are so many variables that a number by itself cannot explain everything.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:05 PM #2
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Cannot agree more my GPA is not that great since im buried with engineering/Calc/Physics classes while I have a friend that takes the easiest classes offered. Of course I will actually make money when I graduate...but yes there needs to be some sort of way take into account all the variables.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:13 PM #3
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GPA is the reason why I am beginning to worry that I may not get into Med school as an engineer.
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Old 11-04-2010, 03:30 PM #4
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Is there an appeal process? I've been in your position before and appealed stating how while my GPA was short I made up for it in other areas, and eventually got in.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:09 PM #5
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the GPA is a perfectly good measure, when used in the correct context. a 3.5 in art history isn't quite as impressive as a 3.5 in mechanical engineering. problem is, people treat them like they are. you almost can't compare GPAs in similar programs across different schools for that reason, average GPAs could differ wildly from school to school.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:43 PM #6
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the GPA is a perfectly good measure, when used in the correct context. a 3.5 in art history isn't quite as impressive as a 3.5 in mechanical engineering. problem is, people treat them like they are. you almost can't compare GPAs in similar programs across different schools for that reason, average GPAs could differ wildly from school to school.
I agree 100%. I compare it to College Football. Two teams are undefeated. One team played division 3 schools all semester while the other played a top 25 team every game. In this case GPA is like the record (very good for both). However, that does not mean teams are equal.

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Old 11-04-2010, 04:45 PM #7
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I have this conversation about once a week with friends from college. Grad schools and businesses say they value GPA because it shows "long-term performance," but as has already been stated that performance has to be taken in context. Having said all that; my opinion on the matter is that GPA is a wholly inadequate metric for determining a person's knowledge and/or work ethic.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:58 PM #8
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I agree completely. I am an Electrical Engineering major at Texas A&M University and currently I'm around a 3.0 or so. Most people assume I'm slacking off because my GPA isn't very high, but the engineering program here is extremely difficult. I also have friends from other much easier majors that brag about their GPA's... greatly annoys me.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:30 PM #9
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the GPA is a perfectly good measure, when used in the correct context. a 3.5 in art history isn't quite as impressive as a 3.5 in mechanical engineering. problem is, people treat them like they are. you almost can't compare GPAs in similar programs across different schools for that reason, average GPAs could differ wildly from school to school.
exactly its like treating a degree from asu (my school) to a school like yale or harvard. both can have the same degree but lets face it one is more prestigious and harder to obtain and in this case should get the nod over the other.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:52 PM #10
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I agree completely. I am an Electrical Engineering major at Texas A&M University and currently I'm around a 3.0 or so. Most people assume I'm slacking off because my GPA isn't very high, but the engineering program here is extremely difficult. I also have friends from other much easier majors that brag about their GPA's... greatly annoys me.
I agree
I was Marine Bio at A&M in Honors with 4.0. I transfer to engineering at UT and I'm borderline 3.0.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:47 PM #11
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I don't do **** in my classes. I'm at a 2.7 right now and I have a spectacular internship because I interview well.

This and connections gets you a job with a real company. After your first real job, GPA doesn't matter at all. Its a **** poor measure of everything, but it does close some doors with companies that are big enough to make retarded generalizations.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:08 PM #12
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Some classes/majors are very difficult. Getting an exceptional GPA means you are very intelligent or you basically have no life and study. The people with no life and study 18 hours a day. NEVER go out, I don't think those are good candidates, because when real life rolls around. They are not going to be working alone, they will be in a team environment and need to communicate. So I believe there should be more than what is on paper to get into a grad school.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:44 PM #13
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I agree.
I'm doing meteorology, and the course load is similar to that of engineering. A lot of math, a lot of science. I'll be lucky to graduate with a 3.0, and it's not like I'm going out every night.
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:04 AM #14
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GPA needs to be taken in context.
It should, and usually is. If you were applying to grad school, chances are (I don't know for sure because I have only looked at law school admissions) a more holistic view would be taken. But you are trying to take courses at a level higher than you were accepted into the school to take, and it makes sense that you should have to demonstrate adequate proficiency in your program to take those classes.

It's easier to demonstrate that proficiency in certain majors than others, yes, but someone with a 4.0 in a sociology program has already exhibited their capability to do as well as the program tests for, and is thus capable of taking more advanced classes. The burden is much higher for people in harder programs, so those people have to work harder to demonstrate that capability.

If you go to grad school, though, be happy the admissions people take more into account than just your GRE/GPA. Law school admissions (as well as med I think) are based solely on LSAT/GPA numbers for the majority of applicants. The other tiny group are people who have done something like be a Navy SEAL, TFA, or in some other way demonstrated that they are exceptional in some respect.

It sucks for engineering majors, because while they, as a group, have the highest LSAT numbers, their GPAs are disproportionately low for how good of a student they are. It's why I chose philosophy over engineering; I'm able to maintain a high GPA, and the coursework is conducive to thinking like I need to in order to do well on the LSAT and in law school.
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Yeah I would definitely try an appeal; this shows that your truely interested and may be a better measure of your performance than grades alone.

I do think that alot of people/companies/school consider difficulty of major/program when looking at a candidate. Two of my good friends applied (and got into) med school. One had a much higher gpa in the standard bio/premed route, where the other a lower gpa in chem eng. The kid with with the chem engineering degree got into the better school and was offered a better package. But he worked a hell of alot harder than the other guy for lower grades, and Im sure the shcools that he applied to knew this.
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I don't do **** in my classes. I'm at a 2.7 right now and I have a spectacular internship because I interview well.

This and connections gets you a job with a real company. After your first real job, GPA doesn't matter at all. Its a **** poor measure of everything, but it does close some doors with companies that are big enough to make retarded generalizations.
This.

It's not a terrible process if used correctly. Problem is, many employers or admissions people are idiots and don't use it correctly.

One could make the argument that even GPA's from the same field/major but different schools are extremely hard to compare.
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I agree with this in college. There are so many factors in college, every professor has different grading policies/scales, and not to mention differing levels of difficulty. Ultimately the professors you have during your college career are what really make your GPA
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I agree with this in college. There are so many factors in college, every professor has different grading policies/scales, and not to mention differing levels of difficulty. Ultimately the professors you have during your college career are what really make your GPA
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Everything is this is true really.

Watch out for that one kid thats screws up the grading curve
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GPA reflects effort and ability; but its only useful to comparing people in the same major at the same university in the same year.

Accounting is harder than English; but its all relative. The dude with a 4.0 in Fine Arts doesn't traditionally apply to UPenn Wharton - so it really comes down to the reputation of the UG university. (As a side note, Penn State has only ever helped me with this )

I'd like to think that schools consider this, and I know for a fact they have in my case.

It only really matters in graduate and professional school... I think med schools are the worst with setting dead-set cutoffs; but jobs typically don't outside of internships.
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I hope to god not, because my GPA is fairly ****ty.
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