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Old 07-13-2010, 12:52 PM #1
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Low Serial Karnivors???

I've been reading about Karnivors and I've been seeing a lot of talk about low serial numbers on Karnivors. Why do people want lower serial numbered Karnivors? Are they of more value?

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Old 07-13-2010, 01:28 PM #2
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should be the same value, they just want them because of the number.
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:02 PM #3
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the lower serial numbered karnis were some of the originals made under Bud Orr. Some people want them becuase the parts are more reliable due to them being made/manufactured in the US.

After WGP was bought out by K2, parts started being made in China/Taiwan and their quality was lower. Then even more problems with quality after K2 was bought out by JT.

I believe at that point almost everything was taiwanese based.
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:55 PM #4
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Cool, thanks for the info, guys. Does anyone know approx. how many were made under Bud Orr, K2, JT, etc.?
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the lower serial numbered karnis were some of the originals made under Bud Orr. Some people want them becuase the parts are more reliable due to them being made/manufactured in the US.

After WGP was bought out by K2, parts started being made in China/Taiwan and their quality was lower. Then even more problems with quality after K2 was bought out by JT.

I believe at that point almost everything was taiwanese based.
are you sure that karni's were mill over sea? i have a video of jeff doing the milling on the JOLE v1, v2, and v3. and those came out after the karni.
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Old 07-14-2010, 11:36 AM #6
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are you sure that karni's were mill over sea? i have a video of jeff doing the milling on the JOLE v1, v2, and v3. and those came out after the karni.
can u post those video? i like seeing milling video.
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can u post those video? i like seeing milling video.
already on it i just have to find it.
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:16 PM #8
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i cant find the video i thought i had it saved as a fav. on youtube. but i found this tv add lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgv32...eature=related
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Old 07-14-2010, 12:51 PM #9
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are you sure that karni's were mill over sea? i have a video of jeff doing the milling on the JOLE v1, v2, and v3. and those came out after the karni.
i didnt say the karnis were milled there. I was mainly talking about all the components like the pneumatics and internals. I noticed a switch in the valve with the newer karnis to a SS version, and i had a problem with that one sealing properly at times. A switch back to the older brass valve solved that problem. I also had many problems with mp4 rams and newer karni regs and on/off asa's.

But i though the JOLEs were done over in taiwan/china. The one video i saw of jeff orr in his shop wasnt milling, but he was just showing a bunch of bodies. They might have been raw, but all that means is they were annodized here.

I had two markers from post JT, a blackout and a jole v1. BOTH of them had the rear grip frame threads rip out of the body. When i bought my blackout used, only half the threads were there. My JOLE v1 was bought brand new, and after one day of play, i noticed the rear grip frame screw hanigng out of the frame, itried to finger screw it back in, only to have it fall out with the bodies threads still around the screw.

Jeff DID in fact correct it for me, but this is what led me ot believe my thoughts.
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Old 07-14-2010, 03:52 PM #10
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I used to make deliveries for bud Orr shop( cnc tools and machine shop supplies) the JOLE Bodies were made in the US.Thus they were limited run only a few batches of each color and also some custom jobs like you design your own marker(jeff Orr).
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I used to make deliveries for bud Orr shop( cnc tools and machine shop supplies) the JOLE Bodies were made in the US.Thus they were limited run only a few batches of each color and also some custom jobs like you design your own marker(jeff Orr).
i stand corrected, but i dont ever remember a "design your own marker". Anno might have been one thing, but a custom 1 off marker?

wheres jeff?
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i stand corrected, but i dont ever remember a "design your own marker". Anno might have been one thing, but a custom 1 off marker?

wheres jeff?
Yes there's custom made joles,I have a friend who have x instead of dots in his JOLE V3 and some Latin engraving on the frame. I have a blind JOLE without any dots. You can have it made but it will take a couple of weeks or a month or more and it will cost a lot more than the ongoing price of $699

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Yes there's custom made joles,I have a friend who have x instead of dots in his JOLE V3 and some Latin engraving on the frame. I have a blind JOLE without any dots. You can have it made but it will take a couple of weeks or a month or more and it will cost a lot more than the ongoing price of $699
do you have any pics of the blind jole?
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Yes there's custom made joles,I have a friend who have x instead of dots in his JOLE V3 and some Latin engraving on the frame. I have a blind JOLE without any dots. You can have it made but it will take a couple of weeks or a month or more and it will cost a lot more than the ongoing price of $699
thru convos with jeff, the last ten v3s that they did have the "x" to signify the number ten.

And what type of engraving? Laser?

I did see the blind jole which is something ive never seen, but i never heard of the custom milling. And you speak like these are still avialable. Do you know somethign I dont?
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I knew i was right, sort of. here is a quote from a convo i had via pm with jeff

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All of the Karni's are wgp bodies, the best way to tell is if it has the press in feed tube it was made in cali. The bodies with the tubes machined in had the same supplier as Aim (Taiwan)

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the bodies with the "W" breach stamp are 100% american made and orr approved, the one piece (reciever and feed tube) bodies were imported from taiwan and then i was able to do the cosmetic machine work here in the states.

So the bodies came from Taiwan but the machining was done in the states.
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W breach stamp where is this at? im looking and my black magic and karni now?
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W breach stamp where is this at? im looking and my black magic and karni now?
It's actually on the inside of the breach. If you look straight down the feedneck, it will be on the bottom of the breech where the ball sits.
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So the bodies came from Taiwan but the machining was done in the states.
so to wich serial number were made in us,
mine has s 1080 and has the W pressed in
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well you learn something new every day thanks. on another not both my 05 BM and karni are usa bodies.
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so to wich serial number were made in us,
mine has s 1080 and has the W pressed in
all karnivors were made in the US.

it only has to do with the one piece bodies. The JOLE/Blackouts are the one piece bodies.
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