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Old 04-25-2010, 03:52 PM #1
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NDZ Luxe Bolt + Adjustable bolt guide + Spring System Review

Seems some of us have the NDZ bolt system. But there seems to be very little in depth pics and info on how the adjustable bolt guide works. Well I got mine yesterday and I just want to put up some close up pics of the components and well as to write up a review for you guys next week when I get to play with it.

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The NDZ Bolt system.


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Adjustable Internal Volume Adjustability

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Old 04-25-2010, 03:53 PM #2
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Old 04-25-2010, 03:54 PM #3
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Do it, im very curious to see how this system works
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Old 04-25-2010, 04:46 PM #6
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you"ll get much better dwell and fsdo results usuing pooty's spring instead of the ndz spring...the ndz spring is very light, it would be more appropriately used for keeping near stock settings but lowering the fsdo a tad....i had bolt stick with there spring until i reached near stock settings...but with pooty's spring on that same guide/bolt combo im running the dwell at 9-10ms and 0 fsdo setting

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Old 04-25-2010, 05:18 PM #7
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you"ll get much better dwell and fsdo results usuing pooty's spring instead of the ndz spring...the ndz spring is very light, it would be more appropriately used for keeping near stock settings but lowering the fsdo a tad....i had bolt stick with there spring until i reached near stock settings...but with pooty's spring on that same guide/bolt combo im running the dwell at 9-10ms and 0 fsdo setting

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Noted. I have Pooty's spring too. Will try both.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:41 PM #8
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i have the bolt, spring, and the ndz can. Im running the dwell at 10ms and the fsdo at 0. works great for me. And im running a ef rod in my gun to.
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I have the ndz spring bolt and I have my gun the dwel in 8ms and fsdo 0... He shoot amazing... I put new orings when I took the bolt almost 2 weeks ago, without the brakeing of the orings the luxe its shooting like 2 pods and the hopper with 1000psi in a 45/4500...

I also recommend that when you go to ride to change the white bolt orings guide for a blacks ones to have less friction and best results .
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dwel in 8ms and fsdo 0...
Mine shoots unicorns and has mask seeking paintballs and i shot 2 guys with one ball, it was so agg. i only have dwell 1 and it shoots boobies everywhere
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I just received my bolt guide, springs, bolts, and firing can back from NDZ and everything slides 100 times smoother now! Can't wait to tune the gun.
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I just received my bolt guide, springs, bolts, and firing can back from NDZ and everything slides 100 times smoother now! Can't wait to tune the gun.
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I just received my bolt guide, springs, bolts, and firing can back from NDZ and everything slides 100 times smoother now! Can't wait to tune the gun.
be sure to post numbers. i am interested in seeing how much better the luxe shoots with these parts.
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I'm interested to see what results you get with yours. I ordered a firing can, spring bolt and adjustable guide from ndz. Lowered dwell to 12 and fsdo to 0. Initial gas up...it just went pft pft pft. Took the guide out and screwed the adjustment pin half way and raised my dwell to 13. It cycled but had fsdo. I waited till the weekend, so I could get over the chrono. Chrono was bouncing around pretty bad...300+. Lowered dwell to 12, raised fsdo to 2 and turned down chrono thru the reg.

First game my eye plate popped off and continued to pop off the next couple games, so I used a rubber band to hold em in.
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If you guys are having issues, don't hesitate to contact NDZ. They hooked me up and made things right.

My optimal dwell is 12, but I couldn't completely eliminate bolt stick. Raised fsdo to 2 and it seems to have helped. It's been said before, every gun's different. I'm sure that I could lower the fsdo back to 0 if I spent more time with orings, but these are my setting with the parts received directly from NDZ. Finer tuning will only make things smoother. More to come, but I'll be busy breaking in my new NT for a while.
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I'm interested to see what results you get with yours. I ordered a firing can, spring bolt and adjustable guide from ndz. Lowered dwell to 12 and fsdo to 0. Initial gas up...it just went pft pft pft. Took the guide out and screwed the adjustment pin half way and raised my dwell to 13. It cycled but had fsdo. I waited till the weekend, so I could get over the chrono. Chrono was bouncing around pretty bad...300+. Lowered dwell to 12, raised fsdo to 2 and turned down chrono thru the reg.

First game my eye plate popped off and continued to pop off the next couple games, so I used a rubber band to hold em in.
change your sft oring. The ndz bolt may be every so slightly smaller and be causing problems.

I'm waiting for my bolt guide to get back from ndz. They sent me one with the oring groove not being deep enough so the oring would blow off all the time with the ndz bolt. Hopefully they'll have it back soon. If it's back before Sunday I'll try out the guide, can, and bolt all together and see what results I have at a msxl.
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I just ordered the ndz stringer bolt spring, ndz spring modded bolt, ndz can, and ndz adjustable bolt guide for my RL Luxe will see how it works
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So I'm a little confused. If the bolt guide is supposed to remove the large air chamber how is it possible when it's hollow with a whole in the tip? Wouldn't the air still fill that area?
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So I'm a little confused. If the bolt guide is supposed to remove the large air chamber how is it possible when it's hollow with a whole in the tip? Wouldn't the air still fill that area?
but how much space does that insert fill up?
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The insert is about half the size of the bolt guide if not a little smaller. But like I said it is hollow with a small hole in the tip so I can see it filling in about the size of the insert I just don't understand how screwing in the insert further will make any difference like they say it will with it being hollow
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The insert is about half the size of the bolt guide if not a little smaller. But like I said it is hollow with a small hole in the tip so I can see it filling in about the size of the insert I just don't understand how screwing in the insert further will make any difference like they say it will with it being hollow
ndz bolt guide has a larger volume "space" inside of it compared to the stock piece, without using the insert you will gain chrono/fps readings without adjusting anything, thus you will need to actually reduce your regulators pressure to reach your desirable chrono/fps limit. Rule of thumb is lowering the operating pressure =quieter shots and less kick. Most users see a difference between 30-60fps simply by installing this upgrade. Thats quite a large chrono difference and means you"ll be able to reduce your operating pressure quite a bit.

If you use the insert the that it comes with you will need to actually raise your operating pressure, how much you need to raise it will depend on how far you screw it into the guide because your taking away space, but in return you"ll gain some efficiency...how-ever if you turn it in too far you"ll need to run your reg at too high of an operating pressure and this can cause the noid to vent/leak. If your trying to get the best efficiency possible what i would do is air up the marker, and increase the regulators presssure slowly until you can hear your solenoid vent air softly. Then reduce the regulators pressure by 1/4 or a little more than that so it stops venting and you"ve got a little bit of breathing room. Then remove the bolt guide and screw in the insert a few full turns at a time, re-chrono the marker and keep doing this until you get to your desired chrono/fps limit.

For Example: You chrono the marker with the insert installed but not threaded in much and your shooting at 330fps, obviously much too hot/fast. Remove the firing assembly and screw the insert further into the bolt guide and re-chrono, you"ll notice the further in the insert goes the lower your fps/chrono limit will become, meanwhile your not over-pressurizing the noid because it is "NOT" venting air. Keep doing that until you get to where you want to be for example "285fps". You can always lower your reg pressure more if need be but doubt it will be necessary with that insert even close threaded all the way in.

Personally i like using there chamber without the insert, my efficiency is still more than enough to shoot what i can carry and i love how quiet and smooth it shoots with a low operating pressure, and my consistency also has never been better. But its all personal preference, i had issues with noticible increased kick while using an insert or rf rod, to me it wasnt worth the efficiency gain. How-ever each marker is different and im probably more paranoid than most about having the smoothest shot and tightest groupings on the field.
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