[J is Clutch]

as I said, they will typically sell for 425+

[MstrKey]

Originally Posted by J is Clutch

The guns both felt very similiar to eachother in my hands. It all comes down to whether im getting a bang for my buck. What features will I be getting, that are an upgrade to the vice. Because the vice is a very solid gun.
Nah im not a gunwhore either. I could easily get a tadao oled, and a rotor with that 200.

Good luck getting an OLED and rotor for 200 Unless they are used and you find some totally deperate people.

[MoneyMaker17]

Well he did say he found an OLED for $90, and I've seen Rotors go for as low as $80. I'm not saying that a Rotor for that price hasn't been abused at all, but hey, it's a Rotor

[MstrKey]

Originally Posted by MoneyMaker17

Well he did say he found an OLED for $90, and I've seen Rotors go for as low as $80. I'm not saying that a Rotor for that price hasn't been abused at all, but hey, it's a Rotor

True enough lol. A bad rotor is still better than a good halo I suppose lol.

Seriously, the creed is a really nice gun. It isn't finished either.....the boys are always coming out with new ups for them even though they work great as is.

Only you can decide if the deal is worth it to you. It's not like having a different paintball gun will magically transform your game. No gun can do that. Sometimes a new toy can bring a little newfound joy to your game though.

I know you've held them both in your hands but see if you can get the guy to let you use it in a game or two. Maybe the feel of it in game will agree with you.

[J is Clutch]

thanks for all of your input guys. It came pretty close. As I didn't count the peoples votes who didn't post. Thanks again.
Justin

[SpecOpsDeath]

I say go for the Creed. I have shot both markers and I loved them. Very similar shooting and feeling.

THe Vice does have efficiency on its side, as well as its a Bob Long with great customer service and there will be very few problems (most are user error). But it does have the direct mount asa which i absolulty hate.

The Creed has rarity and many extra features. It isnt as efficient, but its relativly close and if you dont play x-ball you should not have a problem with it at all. The barrel kit it comes with won me over if i had to pick between the two guns. But since there are only a few creeds out, it might be hard to find a shop to work on it if something breaks and you dont know how to fix it, Although i have yet to hear a problem with a creed that wasnt fixed in 5 minutes.

I would go with the creed on this one. Both great guns, but if you like having something that is rare, comes with a barrel kit, and shoots/feels just as good as your vice, then the creed is it

[devincicrashjk]

question why do u say no problems if you play xball. are you saying the gun cant hanndle the continuious rates of fire or what

[MstrKey]

It can easily.....I think he was talking about air consumption more than anything. That shouldn't really be a problem though unless your points are lasting 10 minutes lol. If they can play xball with shockers the creed will be fine.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by megadeth456

I would just stick with the vice if money is an issue or if you want the features. Creed operates at a higher pressure, creating more kick. Probably not that much of a difference though. Should shoot about the same. Only real differences are some of the features.

Dont know what creed you are shooting... Not set up right.. The balanced pressure popit has no kick at all....The gun is completely smooth

[OGballer2]

I had an 08 ego, i loved it to death i would never go against it.But due to sponsership i had to get a creed, and i have never looked back.The gun shoots money straight out of the box.Shoots better and muchhh quiter than an ego.You cant compare the vice to a gun like the creed.Yes thay are newer guns but they shoot MONEY.GL man.

[bobcat_balla08]

Originally Posted by OGballer2

I had an 08 ego, i loved it to death i would never go against it.But due to sponsership i had to get a creed, and i have never looked back.The gun shoots money straight out of the box.Shoots better and muchhh quiter than an ego.You cant compare the vice to a gun like the creed.Yes thay are newer guns but they shoot MONEY.GL man.

Sure you can compare the vice to the creed it's relatively easy. But since you were probably an ego fan boy so the vice couldn't be as good as your ego since it's made by a smaller company and doesn't have all the sponsorship money to throw away on teams.

I have never shot a creed I actually came here to form an opinion but any vice I have shot honestly wipes the floor with any ego I have ever shot.

[Whitefox2474]

I've had both. Get the Creed. It's about 100 times better in every way. Plus, their tech support is amazing, and is in the US now. Do it, you won't regret it.

[cjlovi]

The Creed balanced properly should achieve 10 pods and a hopper on a hot 4000psi fill on a 69/4500. If I didn't see it in my own Creeds I'd never believe it.

[OGballer2]

Originally Posted by bobcat_balla08

Sure you can compare the vice to the creed it's relatively easy. But since you were probably an ego fan boy so the vice couldn't be as good as your ego since it's made by a smaller company and doesn't have all the sponsorship money to throw away on teams.

I have never shot a creed I actually came here to form an opinion but any vice I have shot honestly wipes the floor with any ego I have ever shot.

Its all personal preference.

[CS Paintball Inc]

Originally Posted by SpecOpsDeath

The Creed has rarity and many extra features. It isnt as efficient, but its relativly close and if you dont play x-ball you should not have a problem with it at all. The barrel kit it comes with won me over if i had to pick between the two guns. But since there are only a few creeds out, it might be hard to find a shop to work on it if something breaks and you dont know how to fix it, Although i have yet to hear a problem with a creed that wasnt fixed in 5 minutes.

You guys don't need to worry about parts and fixing on creed. we have all the parts and master tech will answer all your questions.

[cjlovi]

Originally Posted by SpecOpsDeath

I say go for the Creed. I have shot both markers and I loved them. Very similar shooting and feeling.

The Creed has rarity and many extra features. It isn't as efficient, but its relatively close and if you don't play x-ball you should not have a problem with it at all.

We play X-Ball, NPPL and PSP Format. Shooting and owning all high end markers prior to the Creed, I find the Creed more than adequate for X-Ball. Shooting 10+ pods on a 4000 fill on a 6800 tank the Creed shoots perfectly down to 200/500psi.

All markers use a mathematical equation to claim 1500/1700 shots per 68/4500 fill. The Creed is the only marker that I've used, that can achieve the claim on the field.

[Tears]

Originally Posted by cjlovi

We play X-Ball, NPPL and PSP Format. Shooting and owning all high end markers prior to the Creed, I find the Creed more than adequate for X-Ball. Shooting 10+ pods on a 4000 fill on a 6800 tank the Creed shoots perfectly down to 200/500psi.

All markers use a mathematical equation to claim 1500/1700 shots per 68/4500 fill. The Creed is the only marker that I've used, that can achieve the claim on the field.

Not even... I can get that on my 48/45 on a lucky day
Yes, I say Creed and their customer service is UNBELIEVABLE. They'll send you parts from your nearest dealer, help you out with any problems, and will answer any questions

[Pinksock]

Think resale. Buy a creed . Also customer service is a PM away. How crazy is that?

[faty burger]

go with the creed. on the topic of efficency you can get enough shots out of the creed for a game. because at a tourny your gonna fill after every game

[Rapitharian]

I just bought a creed.
I will let you know my unbiased opinion (Good/Bad/Ugly) after I shoot it some.
Do know I bought it just because. No love for the Marker. It will have to earn my love and respect.

-Rap

[juggernaut326]

Creed all day.