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Old 02-03-2010, 02:38 AM #1
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Ul Frame Facts

this is for the numerous questions that never seem to stop

FIRST OFF, IF your frame looks something like this, and the leds are on the left side, you have a UL frame


The PM5 ul frame fits only the PM5
The PM6 ul frame only fits the PM6
The PM7 UL frame olny fits the PM7
For pmr's The one ul frame released for the Pmr will fit the 07 and 08 pmrs if im correct, and those ul frames are only compatible with the 07 and 08 pmrs.
The ul frame for the DMC, DM5, and DM4 are compatible between each other, so a ul frame from a DMC will fit a DM4, or DM5, but that frame will not fit a Pm5.

The DM Frame to the corresponding year, for example, the DM6 UL frame will not fit the PM6, nor any other gun besides another DM6,
So if you want a UL frame, it MUST be for the gun you are buying it for. So dont buy a DM6 ul frame and expect it to fit on the PM6.

hope this clears it up

TRIGGERS
any UL frame trigger will fit in a UL frame
so a critical trigger for a DM6,7,8,9,or ten will fit in a pm5, 6, 7, or 8 as long as it has a UL frame

The ul frame trigger for the pmr is just an aluminum trigger, not an actual trigger for an ultralite frame.

Boards
ALL UL FRAME BOARDS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE except for the one in the PM5 ul frame
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Standard UL boards will not work in Proto Mtx05. They sit too high up. The solenoid comes down into the frame on this marker. That is the reason the M5 does not have the top LED.
so a DM9 board will fit and work perfectly in a pm6 ul frame.
Also, a Vitrue OLED UL board will be just fine in a PM7 UL frame.
Those are just examples. If it says UL board, it will fit in the DMC, DM4, DM5, DM6, DM7, DM8, DM9, DM10, PM6, PM7, PM8, and PMR UL FRAMES. IT must have a UL frame for it to work. the only exceptions to this rule are the DYE NT, PM5, and the SLG
The only UL frame board you cant do this with is with the SLG and NT ul frame. Those frames are just the same feel, not exactly the same inner workings to my knowledge.

PMR UL frame Detail for boards and triggers
The Ul frame for the PMR(aftermarket on on the 08 and 07 and the ones stock on 09 and 2010)
The boards theat fit in them are the UL frame standard boards that will fit in any DM.
The triggers are special and you need a PMR ul frame trigger. A standard UL frame trigger will not work in a PMR

PSP RULES AND BOARD SETTINGS
ALL UL FRAME BOARDS have psp burst, so unless you need more settings than dwell, ROF, Fire mode, and trigger sensitivity, your set.
The DM boards have wired eye connections.
THe PM ul frames have ribbon eye wires

Fire modes on all boards
-semi, capped uncapped
-psp (burst), capped and uncapped,
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Might also note that ALL UL boards, from the PM5 and DM5, all the way up, are all 10bps ready, which means that they are PSP legal. Yes, I know PSP is 12.5 now but people have asked, and God only knows if it'll stay the same next year.
with 10bps and 12.5 for psp
-millennium ramp, capped and uncapped

As long as psp stays above 10 bps, you will be able to use a stock UL board.

IF YOU NEED MORE MODES ON ANY UL BOARD, except NT and SLG, Tadao offers a flashing service that will add
" * Fully legal in all tournament series (10 bps compatible for 2009 PSP/Millennium season rules!)
* Five modes of fire
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o NXL full-automatic
* More than 1 million unique ways to adjust settings
* Asynchronously monitors the trigger switch using an interrupt based scan at 1 million times per second for the quickest response time and fastest semi-automatic
* Rate of fire adjustable from 10 to unlimited bps in 0.5 bps increments
* AMB (anti-mechanical bounce) and CPF (cycle percentage filter) algorithms help to prevent mechanical and switch bounce without missing real trigger pulls
* Gangster setting allows 3 different options for every firemode, giving 15 different "breakout" style modes
* 7 color LED provides an easy to use programming mode which allows changes to nearly any variable, including debounce, dwell, loader delay, AMB, anti-bolt stick, fire mode, max rate of fire, eye mode, CPF, Gangster breakout mode, ramp start activation, and more
* All settings are stored in non-volatile memory so they are not lost when the battery is disconnected
* Power efficient software and hardware lengthen battery life
* Automatic 15 minute idle power down saves batteries
* One-touch startup enables the marker to fire almost instantly
* Low battery indicator hardware and software shows battery level each time the marker is turned on"
and its for a slight fee, but substantially less than a complete new board.

GET IT HERE

ALSO, for you aftermarket ASA lovers, the ul frames have a rail that excepts rail mounted and Direct mount asa's, so you can add hella drop forwards if you want.

If anything is wrong, please leave a comment in a nice and polite way, i have no problem admitting im wrong and fixing my mistakes.
so just lemme know. thanks

ALSO, give a round of applause to gnarkill and J. Thompson #5150
for helping with some extra facts.
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Might also note that ALL UL boards, from the PM5 and DM5, all the way up, are all 10bps ready, which means that they are PSP legal. Yes, I know PSP is 12.5 now but people have asked, and God only knows if it'll stay the same next year.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:48 PM #3
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Might also note that ALL UL boards, from the PM5 and DM5, all the way up, are all 10bps ready, which means that they are PSP legal. Yes, I know PSP is 12.5 now but people have asked, and God only knows if it'll stay the same next year.
thanks bro, i added that, and gave u credit for it
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:26 PM #4
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SOOO... what exactly is a UL Frame?? How do I know if I have one?
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:35 PM #5
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SOOO... what exactly is a UL Frame?? How do I know if I have one?
its usually all black(if not on a DM)
and there are lights on the back of the grip, the leds are on the left side of the grip panel
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:39 PM #6
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:50 PM #7
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its usually all black(if not on a DM)
and there are lights on the back of the grip, the leds are on the left side of the grip panel
haha i was just messing with you

good write up though.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:52 PM #8
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thanks. lol i was trying to be cool, but i was thinkin how the hell does someone from 2k5 not know what a damn ul frame is
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:19 AM #9
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Where can i find parts like a control pad at ? Just got a pm8 in and its missing off the frame . Sure someone has them
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Where can i find parts like a control pad at ? Just got a pm8 in and its missing off the frame . Sure someone has them
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You are wrong about 1 thing, other than that this is perfect. Standard UL boards will not work in Proto Mtx05. They sit too high up. The solenoid comes down into the frame on this marker. That is the reason the M5 does not have the top LED.

Edit-I actually tried this yesterday to make sure it works/doesnt work.
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You are wrong about 1 thing, other than that this is perfect. Standard UL boards will not work in Proto Mtx05. They sit too high up. The solenoid comes down into the frame on this marker. That is the reason the M5 does not have the top LED.

Edit-I actually tried this yesterday to make sure it works/doesnt work.
DAMN YOU lol lemme fix that right quick
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Might also note that ALL UL boards, from the PM5 and DM5, all the way up, are all 10bps ready, which means that they are PSP legal. Yes, I know PSP is 12.5 now but people have asked, and God only knows if it'll stay the same next year.
can you do this with eyes on? i thought the only way to change the rof applied to eyes off
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The manual does suggest that the rate of fire adjustment only applies to the eye off rate of fire, but this information is out of date - I have no idea why the manual hasn't been updated to reflect the changes to the board.

When DMs and PMs were semi auto only (DM4, DM5, PM5 and PM6), the standard mode was NPPL mode - semi auto as already stated, but specifically, uncapped semi auto. So when your eyes were on, your marker was uncapped, simple as that. You were provided with rate of fire adjustment when the eyes were off in order to help stop chopping.

So that is why the semi auto only boards had the eye off rate of fire adjustment - the boards standard mode was uncapped semi, but you cannot shoot uncapped with the eyes off for risk of chopping (and indeed, the board would not be able to time it's firing sequence correctly without letting it know when the next ball was in the breech).

With the introduction of multi-mode DM and PM boards - starting with the UL frame board in the DM6 - having all the modes be uncapped was no longer an option, so from that point on, the rate of fire setting on the multi mode boards became a master rate of fire adjuster for both the eye on and eye off rate of fire. Not so handy if you want to set the eye off rate of fire lower than the eye on rate of fire, but equally, much handier than having a preset rate of fire for each different mode, and then having the rate of fire rules change again.
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You are wrong about 1 thing, other than that this is perfect. Standard UL boards will not work in Proto Mtx05. They sit too high up. The solenoid comes down into the frame on this marker. That is the reason the M5 does not have the top LED.

Edit-I actually tried this yesterday to make sure it works/doesnt work.
Funny, my PM5 is UL'd and I hadn't even noticed the HUD missing until you mentioned it. I've got aftermarket grips on it, figured it just wasn't visible through them.
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Old 02-08-2010, 01:52 AM #17
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So this is why this need to be a sticky.....can i use a pm6 ul frame?
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I think when you are talking about asa's, u mean accept and not excepts lol good write up besides that
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