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Old 12-17-2009, 02:10 AM #1
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*Official* GIRL THREAD (Problems, Advice, etc)

(Original credit, and thread poster, for this idea goes to TylerValo.)

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From now on please post your problem here and wait for an answer.


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*Official Girl Problem Thread* Library

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Bleachednblonde:
<del>*******</del> vs. AMOG vs. AFC http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...2#post22092752
Basic Game http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...0#post22381440
Friend Trap http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post22579488
Group Theory http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post24022568
Physical Contact/Kino http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post25624865
3 Quick Pointers http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...2#post25820202
More General Advice http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...9#post25827949
Grabbing the Rebound http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post26485911
Ideas For Dates http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...0#post26713180
Pickup=Engineering http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...0#post26841110
Best Analysis Ever/Escalate Flirting
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...4#post26903024
Approaching/Signals http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...6#post27652266
Confidence/Cocky/Funny vs. Arrogance
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post27945605
Pick-up Time line http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post28056041
One Night Stands http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...9#post28322399
Signs/Lack of Signs http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post28471588
Social Networking: A foundation for avoiding early stage girl problems
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post54651005

T_Mo:
Kiss Close http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...3#post23030943
Step-by-step Game http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post25802185
Dating http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...7#post27109587
Kiss-Close http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post28034721

The Dread Pirate:
Game http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...4#post23173234
Confidence http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...4#post23893764


Bobeo:
Cocky/Funny and Calibration http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...7#post28018937
Confidence/Body Language http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post28167978

Other:
Basic Game http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...4#post23173234
Basic Game (TuckerMax.com) http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...8#post24022568
Beginner's Guide to Game (TuckerMax.com- no registration required)
http://www.pbnation.com/out.php?l=ht...ead.php?t=1260
Cocky/Funny http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...1#post27743921
Newbie Mission http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post27959175
IOI List (mysterymethod.com- registration required)
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Boyfriend Destroyers (Tyler Durden@ mysterymethod.com- registration required)
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:59 AM #5
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My first post on these forums (I already read the rules don't worry) here goes~ (I haven't said what I'm gonna say on here to many ppl irl, I'll try not to lie to make myself look better)

So I'm a freshman in college and my game up to this point in my life has been... well minimal. I was overweight all of highschool (well... after 8th grade I started playing competitive video games... I was in avg shape b4 that) and never really had all too much self confidence so I never went anywhere with girls... at all.

In my first semester of college (past 3 months) I lost 50 pounds and also put on muscle (so I actually lost more fat). Now I'm 6'2" and 190 pounds, I have a bit more of weight to lose but I'm in muchh better shape now than I was before. Now I also have a bit more self confidence and can chat w/ girls fairly easily.

Anyways, over thanksgiving I met a really sweet/cute girl who I have been talking to every few days since. I think I've actually done fairly decent game-wise with her so far, so that's not my biggest problem. I have two questions for you.

The first stems from me being a complete loser in highschool. I have actually never kissed a girl more than a peck on the lips... I'm not quiet sure how you kiss. This problem has prevented me from getting a lot of poon in college so far (now most girls think I'm pretty good looking ). Its pretty ****ing hard for me to try and go for the first kiss with girls because not only do I have to worry about if the moment is right (getting to that moment won't be hard for me now, but it would have been in the past) but then I have to realize I will make a complete fool of myself since I don't know how to kiss. Can anybody please explain how to (I'm a pretty open person irl but I can't ask any1 this... it sounds so pathetic). Can you tell me what type of kiss I should go for instead of generally saying "just do what feels right" and then just generally explain how to do it (I believe its fairly simple and could be explained with text... hopefully).

Secondly, where do you think I should take her? She seems like a really girl who would be down to go most places and try new things. I'm thinking we could hang out on my boat (I have a second house on the lake, so if we had a nice time out on the boat we would have a house to ourself... seems legit). So if you wanna post some places where you've had fun dates (I'm like an hour from yosemite ;] )

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Honestly, there isn't that much to kissing, just don't ram your tongue down her throat like those face suckers from the movie aliens, if you feel like using a little tongue it's fine, just don't go overboard.

and the boat idea sounds genius, only thing i would be worried about is it POSSIBLY being a little over the top?
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Kissing is to easy..And I guess ill do a mini recap of my night.

Went to the gym with a friend..Went to eat out after and had a very cute waitress. Me and her flirted a bit and didnt get to serious. I group of girl show up and sit next to us. I didnt do **** (fail number 1)..End of dinner me and the waitress are talking flirting and she leaves after some light kino and I leave a note on the check
"thanks for the pen"..I could have left my number or invited her out that night since she knew some of the ppl I was going out with (fail number 2)..
At a hooka bar,saw a girl that I ****ed before and managed to get a kiss while her date looked the other way.also got her new number so I'm in with her (win 1 fail..2 or is it 3?).

Went to a random bar and saw a ****ing gorgeous Latin girl. My boy approached her but it was to loud and he did not get anywhere..(fail 3)..also saw this one girl from highschool that I have been wanting since I met..didn't do **** (fail 4)..

At the bar some random girl from my math class ran towards me and threw herself on me. I avoided a kiss because frankly I do not find her attractive...

Basically to sum my night..

IMPROVEMENTS
-Flirt more with the waitress but actually take it somehere.Leave a number even if she is not going to call,or pursue a hangout after work.
-LEARN to cold approach a table full of girls drinking wine..Especially when its me and my other friend.Should have been easy.
-Learn bar game...ASAP..


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-Managed to still keep a spark with a girl I have not seen since I ****ed her. So after 5 minutes getting a kiss is a good sign,especially when she is with her guy friend.

Overall.
Failure.
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Honestly, there isn't that much to kissing, just don't ram your tongue down her throat like those face suckers from the movie aliens, if you feel like using a little tongue it's fine, just don't go overboard.

and the boat idea sounds genius, only thing i would be worried about is it POSSIBLY being a little over the top?
Thx for the quick reply.


Can you mb say what should I do during kissing? (you told me what not to do)
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Grab her back and pull her in towards you while you slowly bite her lip..Dig your nails into her in a sexy way..If there is a wal push her up against it..List is endless and google is your friend,
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Grab her back and pull her in towards you while you slowly bite her lip..Dig your nails into her in a sexy way..If there is a wal push her up against it..List is endless and google is your friend,
Holy **** man, how about we let the guy get the basics down first, eh?
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I think a big part to kissing is confidence. If you start kissing and get stiff as a board then she might be weirded out / turned off. I know most girls like it when guys take control so just see if she wants to do the work and if not then be assertive and go for it.

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By stiff as a board I didn't mean getting a boner. I mean tensing up and kind of laying there kissing.
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I'll deff push her against a wall if possible, otherwise I'll grab her lower back and just pull her close to me (those sound good, thx!). You mean more suck on her lower lip right... I shouldn't actually use my teeth?

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I'd be careful. Maybe she isn't into being rough, I'd be shocked, but yea if there is a wall that would be prime. And with the lower lip definitely do not bite but rather gently nibble. I've never really heard of sucking on lips.
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ok, its now psychology hour. new people can definitely learn something from this.

I'd like you guys to use a computer as a metaphor for a woman for a second, which seems incredibly dorky at first but when you think about it, all it is, is technology's closest shot at a brain replica thats been possible thus far. conveniently, computers also happen to be 100% logical and completely controllable, which makes them perfect for what im trying to show you.

when youre in school and you take a computer class, like a java basics or something, what happens? you dont know what the **** to do. some pieces of your code are good, and others you have no idea what to do and it ****s up the whole program. gradually, you begin to be able to create flawless copies of your teachers programs, and with a little more time you'd be able to create your own, though they'd just be an assemblage of prior knowledge.

now say you're becoming a software engineer for the government. you have years of trial and error experience, brainstorming, and learning under your belt and now, you dont even have to think about what your actually typing. when you read what you're doing, it no longer appears as text on a screen but instead instantly produces a conceptualization of the program in your head. its exactly whats happening in your mind as you read what im communicating to you. you've become so proficient at reading and understanding the english language that you dont have to read the individual letters, or even the words because by skimming over my sentences your brain understands, in its own interpretation, exactly what it is im telling you. in fact, you are not only taking in this written information, but drawing conclusions about whether or not you agree with what im saying, deciding if my metaphor was a good example, and planning how you are going to use this knowledge in the future. In fcat, you wolud be sprsierud to fnid taht you can raed tihs wtih no pboerlm. This subconscious ability to understand things outside of our senses is what separates us from animals, and is uniquely human. when a dog wants food, all it can do is whine. Our mind is capable of processing that we are hungry, and, through its prior knowledge of the situation, deciding whether to beg for food or to pretend like we are not hungry until we are offered food. this ability to communicate things we are not feeling and to feel things which we do not communicate is also uniquely human.

this is because the human brain is like a computer in that what information it relays to other people is not necessarily exactly what it is doing. the computer code you type isnt on some piece of paper in the computer, its just the computer's visual representation of what you are telling it to process and if you are just as proficient with code as the computer, the text is simply a medium between your thoughts and the computer's "thoughts". when you click a folder on the desktop, you obviously arent opening a ****ing folder inside the tower. the computer is representing visually that it is accessing organized data for you.

the reason some of you have trouble holding conversation with girls is because you dont understand that what they are saying, is simply a verbal expression of what they may or may not be really thinking, which is where the brain differes from computers and animals. the brain has the ability to lie. in fact, they are expressing their thoughts even more clearly through body language, tonality, expression, gestures, and inflection. the ability to read people isn't some magical ability to always say the right thing or to be able to see right through their personality like glass, it comes from the ability to instantaneously pick up and interpret all of these different modes of communication at once, translate them into something your brain can work with logically, decide what is really being communicated to you, and respond quickly and appropriately. how do you do this? in the words of most football coaches, repetition repetition repetition. most people need to do something for 10,000 hours to become proficient at it. so, if you ever want to become really good at this, i'd advise you to get off your *****, stop making excuses, and start putting in hours.
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My first post on these forums (I already read the rules don't worry) here goes~ (I haven't said what I'm gonna say on here to many ppl irl, I'll try not to lie to make myself look better)

So I'm a freshman in college and my game up to this point in my life has been... well minimal. I was overweight all of highschool (well... after 8th grade I started playing competitive video games... I was in avg shape b4 that) and never really had all too much self confidence so I never went anywhere with girls... at all.

In my first semester of college (past 3 months) I lost 50 pounds and also put on muscle (so I actually lost more fat). Now I'm 6'2" and 190 pounds, I have a bit more of weight to lose but I'm in muchh better shape now than I was before. Now I also have a bit more self confidence and can chat w/ girls fairly easily.

first, i would think 6'2" 190 is about right, maybe even a little light. i'm 6'3" 200 and i'm at 215 when i'm in shape. point is, don't go too skinny.

Anyways, over thanksgiving I met a really sweet/cute girl who I have been talking to every few days since. I think I've actually done fairly decent game-wise with her so far, so that's not my biggest problem. I have two questions for you.

The first stems from me being a complete loser in highschool. I have actually never kissed a girl more than a peck on the lips... I'm not quiet sure how you kiss. This problem has prevented me from getting a lot of poon in college so far (now most girls think I'm pretty good looking ). Its pretty ****ing hard for me to try and go for the first kiss with girls because not only do I have to worry about if the moment is right (getting to that moment won't be hard for me now, but it would have been in the past) but then I have to realize I will make a complete fool of myself since I don't know how to kiss. Can anybody please explain how to (I'm a pretty open person irl but I can't ask any1 this... it sounds so pathetic). Can you tell me what type of kiss I should go for instead of generally saying "just do what feels right" and then just generally explain how to do it (I believe its fairly simple and could be explained with text... hopefully).

1. when do you kiss. i am telling you you will feel it, maybe you won't recognize the feeling at first, but i'm telling you that its an actual feelable feeling. so if you think it's "that time" then it probably is "that time"

2. how do you kiss. truth is that most guys suck at kissing and other aspects of physical contact with women. the best way to get better is actually caring about getting better and communicating with women on your performance. DO NOT ASK HER IF SHE THINKS YOU ARE A GOOD KISSER if you guys are just starting out. if you've been seeing a chick for a few months you can ask her, but other than that, DON'T ****ING ASK. (and at some point your drunk *** will ask some ***** and you'll look like a ***** and the next day you'll facepalm, it's cool though). I'll attempt to explain how to kiss, though the best way is just figuring it out for yourself: your bodies should be close together, no *** out faces together ****, you should have as much of your surface area touching as much of her surface area as possible. if you get a boner, don't isolate it from her body. if shes kissing you then she'll be happy to feel it. whether or not you whip it out is the only tricky part. one of your hands should be around her body, pulling her toward you and the other should start on her cheek, brush back to her ear, and end up on the back of her head. now for the actual kissing part:first contact is always mouth closed and then transitions to mouth open(quickly), just don't go in with your mouth open and tongue out. now you basically just massage her tongue, and do it with a little force too, don't just touch her tongue, ****ing massage it. do that for like 10 seconds or so and then pull out while gently biting her lower lip. rinse, repeat, switch it up a little.

this should be enough info to get your foot in the door as a decent kisser.


Secondly, where do you think I should take her? She seems like a really girl who would be down to go most places and try new things. I'm thinking we could hang out on my boat (I have a second house on the lake, so if we had a nice time out on the boat we would have a house to ourself... seems legit). So if you wanna post some places where you've had fun dates (I'm like an hour from yosemite ;] )

boat sounds good. truth is, if she likes you then it really doesn't matter. it doesn't matter where you take her or how you kiss (so long as you don't take her on a horrid date or kiss like a retard).

Be open with her, tell her you used to be fat and have never kissed a girl, but don't act ashamed about it. if she is a nice girl then this shouldn't deter her. definitely don't bring any of that **** up to a ***** you're just hooking up with.


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i still **** a girl i dated 3 years ago who is now a lesbian who i only see when i go home. she is a *****. it's alright because i get to hear about how all these guys fail at being good at anything involving a woman and she tells me why i am good. point being, i know my **** backwards and forwards.
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So funny story....

One night me and a bunch of friends went out, got wasted, normal deal, etc. etc. We ended up coming back to my place (3 girls, 2 guys) and everyone was up for sleeping over. I had a queen sized bed at my apartment and most people are used to XL twins, so girls love it. Anyways, the girl I'm hooking up with at the time obviously wants to sleep in bed with me. Another girl there asks if she can sleep in the bed as well since my other guy friend and his hook-up buddy are sleeping on the couch. Of course I saw yes

So when we get in bed I have my arm around the girl I've been hooking up with and I reach past her and start rubbing the other girls arm. At this point I am thinking "I've never initiated a threesome before, but why not try!" The other girl is feeling it. She starts rubbing my arm back and holding my hand and stuff.... So I move on to rubbing her tummy and going down her pants. I'm all excited and **** and about ready to start hooking up with my normal hook up buddy so I move in a little closer to her (mind you I'm reaching over her this whole time to initiate things with the other girl). As soon as I get in her face she pulls my arm up and says, "I actually have a lot of work to do, so I'm going to catch a bus back."

The other girl in bed with us was one of her best friends, so she couldn't let her go home alone that late at night and then my other friend and his girl lived in the same area so also left (not like I cared about that part). Sooooo, I ended up sleeping alone but laughing about it most of the night. The next day the girl I hook up with was pretty pissed because apparently she thought more about me than just hook up. Girls will be girls

tl;dr? Tried a threesome with a girl I was already hooking up with, but she liked as more than just a hook up buddy
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props for going for it.

my main ***** wants to have a threesome, but i need to find a completely bi girl.
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Haha that blows bro.

But nothing but respect for atleast trying.
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props for going for it.

my main ***** wants to have a threesome, but i need to find a completely bi girl.
I would the hard part would be finding the first girl... for the second girl I think I'd just post up on Craigslist if I really couldn't find anyone, haha. Have you and your main girl talked about any ground rules?

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Haha that blows bro.

But nothing but respect for atleast trying.
Hahaha, yea. I had to try, right? I was just too drunk to think that the next day the girl I was hooking up with would be crying and confessing her heartfelt emotions to me.
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